Far Cry 6 GPU performance not bad at all but is severely bottlenecked by CPU

ltron · 8 Oct 2021 at 12:14

Bill Turnip said:
Thanks, good to know and something to bear in mind.

It is, here's a video from AMD illustrating the point (only viewable on mobile):
https://youtube.com/shorts/tY1NjiYyuxs?feature=share

Bill Turnip · 8 Oct 2021 at 12:26

Thanks, but AMD promotional material is not exactly likely to be the least biased dataset. Has comparison between SAM/re-bar been tested independently? Not refuting that SAM will be better, but will look for independent (as far as possible) testing.

Szydero · 8 Oct 2021 at 12:49

5800x/3070 Everything at full/1440p, I get average 65-75fps. the only problem with this game is any long distance objects looks **** like you were playing on a ultra low quality.

NinjaCool · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:03

Finally got around to converting my M.2 drive from MBR to GPT format so now Resizeable BAR is all active and ready for FC6 and beyond

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:14

so its impossible to hit 1080p 120 fps due to cpu bottleneckz with current single thread performance in this gaem ?_?

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:16

Szydero said:
5800x/3070 Everything at full/1440p, I get average 65-75fps. the only problem with this game is any long distance objects looks **** like you were playing on a ultra low quality.

do they get sharper / better looking when you stand still (2-5 seconds)? if thats the case you're simply observing taa blur when camera is moved

LtMatt · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:18

LtMatt said:
Pc Games Hardware have done some more in-depth testing showing the impact of HD Textures + Ray Tracing on video memory.

4K + HD Textures + RT On

4K + HD Textures + RT Off

Enabling FSR and things change round interestingly.

3080 with the HD Texture pack, replacing HQ textures with low quality textures due to insufficient video memory capacity.

More here:

In other news, Vega 56 able to run HD Textures thanks to HBCC Memory Segment.

For our english-speaking fans: In this video we revisit Vega's High Bandwidth Cache Controller (HBCC) and give it a try with Far Cry 6. It just works, as Nvidia's Jensen would say - the 8+16 GiB Hybrid Memory Segment (HMS) enables the Vega 56 board to display all the HD Texture goodness without streaming blurriness. Well, it stutters - but with higher texture quality than on modern 8 GB cards like the Geforce RTX 3070 (Ti) that's okay.

Nexus18 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:21

Szydero said:
5800x/3070 Everything at full/1440p, I get average 65-75fps. the only problem with this game is any long distance objects looks **** like you were playing on a ultra low quality.

Might just be the way as quite a few games are like especially the assassins creed ones, textures in the distance i.e. mountains are god awful but when up close, they look good.

Nexus18 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:22

So has anyone done any comparisons of the HD texture on and off yet? Is it actually worthwhile when compared to ubis other games where HD texture pack makes little to no difference?

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:26

LtMatt said:
3080 with the HD Texture pack, replacing HQ textures with low quality textures due to insufficient video memory capacity.

More here:

In other news, Vega 56 able to run HD Textures thanks to HBCC Memory Segment.

SO 3080 not having perf. issues but hiddenly downgrades textures to maintain performance consistency?

Nexus18 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:29

Techspot:

https://www.techspot.com/article/2339-far-cry-6-benchmarks/

Seems like their results match the majority of reviews so far. Good perf. all round but still poor show given the dated visuals (when compared to far cry new dawn which came out in 2019)

Would love to see dlss in this as TAA artefacts are awful and standout even more when FXR enabled.

Decent comparison:

LtMatt · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:38

dualsense1673 said:
SO 3080 not having perf. issues but hiddenly downgrades textures to maintain performance consistency?

If you look at the links provided from PcGamesHardware, Computer Base, DSO etc, it can either be low quality textures compared to 12-16GB cards, bad frame times compared to 12-16GB cards, or single digit FPS.
Far Cry 6 needs more VRAM than the Nvidia RTX 3080 has to load HD textures | PCGamesN

Here's what the game developer had to say about the HD Texture pack.

XeNoNF50 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:48

Everything ultra with HD textures with rtx 3090 at 4k hdr going 60fps ish average - seems alright

Bill Turnip · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:50

IF this is the case, then it pretty much points to the way games are going:

AMD are most likely to help make games to maximise vRAM usage.
Nvidia are most likely to help make games to maximise raytracing.
Independent games are most likely to be y'know.... Good.

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 13:50

LtMatt said:
If you look at the links provided from PcGamesHardware, Computer Base, DSO etc, it can either be low quality textures compared to 12-16GB cards, bad frame times compared to 12-16GB cards, or single digit FPS.
Far Cry 6 needs more VRAM than the Nvidia RTX 3080 has to load HD textures | PCGamesN

Here's what the game developer had to say about the HD Texture pack.

okay then, honest to god question, how can ps5 /xbox sx handle the ultra textures then? or is it a lie? or it cant handle it either? will this be explained or observed?

correct me if im wrong but the general consensus was that total 16 gb vram on consoles did not mean that it can allocate all of them for vram and it also has to spare some memory for normal memory operations (lol i dont even know what i just said xd)

as far as i know, sx has 10 gb 560 gb/s partition and 6 gb 336 gb/s slower partition. im pretty sure devs wouldnt like vram operations to touch into slower part but you're free to guess.

so why is this happening on 3080 but not on console? if it hpapens i hope those reviewers can also flesh it out.

though console probably have lower settings and resolution.. and may lower vram usage itself...q and no ray tracing. so maybe that can explain. ok, ignore my questions carry on , then again, wish it didnt happen this way

Nexus18 · 8 Oct 2021 at 14:00

Bill Turnip said:
IF this is the case, then it pretty much points to the way games are going:

AMD are most likely to help make games to maximise vRAM usage.
Nvidia are most likely to help make games to maximise raytracing.
Independent games are most likely to be y'know.... Good.

Pretty much.

So far amd struggles in more games with ray tracing than nvidia do with vram, fc 6 is the first game to "potentially" have an issue with lesser vram but this could and may very well be addressed if ubi are working on something, that the fact that not every person seems to be encountering the same issues and when taking a screenshot solves the huge fps drop.... you know something is very wrong....

Pretty much a case of pick your poison, personally I am a massive fan of ray tracing as when implemented properly and not held back, it is truly jaw dropping, that and pretty much every game will have ray tracing going forward from the looks of it plus nvidia sponsor more and better titles imo.

dualsense1673 said:
okay then, honest to god question, how can ps5 /xbox sx handle the ultra textures then? or is it a lie? or it cant handle it either? will this be explained or observed?

correct me if im wrong but the general consensus was that total 16 gb vram on consoles did not mean that it can allocate all of them for vram and it also has to spare some memory for normal memory operations (lol i dont even know what i just said xd)

as far as i know, sx has 10 gb 560 gb/s partition and 6 gb 336 gb/s slower partition. im pretty sure devs wouldnt like vram operations to touch into slower part but you're free to guess.

so why is this happening on 3080 but not on console? if it hpapens i hope those reviewers can also flesh it out.

though console probably have lower settings and resolution.. and may lower vram usage itself...q and no ray tracing. so maybe that can explain. ok, ignore my questions carry on , then again, wish it didnt happen this way

Best to watch digitial foundrys videos on this, they do very good in depth comparisons to show what consoles are sacrificing in terms of graphics as well as the resolution, a lot of them say native 4k, but they're actually running at resolutions around 1200-1800p (more so the ps5) to maintain that 60 fps, also, consoles have to drop ray tracing settings further or entirely i.e. consoles don't get the choice of ray tracing for FC 6.

SAM/re-size bar also shouldn't make any difference in terms of how much vram you have as IIRC the whole point of them features was to remove the 256MB temp/buffer between the cpu and gpu i.e. cpu and gpu no longer have a middle man to allocate/pass small chunks each time and instead now have full access to the gpu vram.

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 14:01

i see, so it would be possible to use full quality hd textures with tweaking resolution a bit and settings and maybe just by disabling rt?

is rt itself so memory intensive for exampel=?

LtMatt · 8 Oct 2021 at 14:01

dualsense1673 said:
okay then, honest to god question, how can ps5 /xbox sx handle the ultra textures then? or is it a lie? or it cant handle it either? will this be explained or observed?

correct me if im wrong but the general consensus was that total 16 gb vram on consoles did not mean that it can allocate all of them for vram and it also has to spare some memory for normal memory operations (lol i dont even know what i just said xd)

as far as i know, sx has 10 gb 560 gb/s partition and 6 gb 336 gb/s slower partition. im pretty sure devs wouldnt like vram operations to touch into slower part but you're free to guess.

so why is this happening on 3080 but not on console? if it hpapens i hope those reviewers can also flesh it out.

though console probably have lower settings and resolution.. and may lower vram usage itself...q and no ray tracing. so maybe that can explain. ok, ignore my questionso so your comparison does not make any sense to me.

The consoles are not running 4K native and will not be using Ultra preset, this will lower video memory usage requirements - despite being able to use the HD Textures without these issues.

A lot of optimisation goes into the console games as they are the money maker.

dualsense1673 · 8 Oct 2021 at 14:13

But its also smart, wmajority of these settings are click bait and do not provide any meaningful image quality improvements, but them textures surely seem to do a huge work .)

nvidiamd · 8 Oct 2021 at 14:14

Nexus18 said:
Techspot:

https://www.techspot.com/article/2339-far-cry-6-benchmarks/

Haha that's Steve from HU so no wonder he had no problem with the 3080. Meanwhile on the Techoowerup review they notice the 3080 can't run everything at 4K.
"What's really interesting is VRAM usage. I measured well over 10 GB with the 4K, HD Texture pack, and ray tracing combo, which does stutter sometimes on the 10 GB GeForce RTX 3080, but runs perfectly fine with cards offering 12 GB VRAM or higher. I guess I was wrong when I said that the RTX 3080's 10 GB will suffice for the foreseeable future."
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/far-cry-6-benchmark-test-performance/7.html