Female graduates freezing eggs over a lack of educated men

Ayahuasca · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:46

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40504076

Read this article at lunch and my first thought was this would be a great thread for Tosno, seriously though I'd like to hear GD's views on this, particularly as the UK is one of the countries that is experiencing this trend the most.

MooMoo444 · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:49

Perhaps these people should lower their expectations then.

StriderX · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:50

Plenty of Chinese men out there with degrees and no woman

Dis86 · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:51

I'd say the problem is probably with the women as individuals.

Ayahuasca · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:56

StriderX said:
Plenty of Chinese men out there with degrees and no woman

Not wanting to turn this thread into one about race but asian men are at the bottom of the dating ladder for women outside of their race and asian women prefer men outside of their own as well so your statement is unsurprising.

413x · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:57

To high expectations I'd say... A common thing in today's society - I have it too, but then I don't want a family!
If they can't find a man now, who's to say they will later? As shallow as it is looks aye going to fade, most men who want a family will have had families already. So wants a 50yo educated woman who desperately wants kids when they are 50 themselves?

I think these women are trying to get around the natural fertility cycle (which is fine) but the root problem isn't going to be solved. If there's no educated men now, there isn't going to be in 10 years time

adolf hamster · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:58

MooMoo444 said:
Perhaps these people should lower their expectations then.

Dis86 said:
I'd say the problem is probably with the women as individuals.

sounds about right.

I can get people doing this because they want to focus on their careers but still leave the option of children open later in life, in fact i think it's quite a sensible idea ensuring a stable financial bedrock before jumping into parenthood (indeed i suspect the current economic climate in terms of how long it takes to get "stable" enough for parenthood might have something to do with it but that's a different converstaion).

but to complain it's due to a lack of men? nope.

Ayahuasca · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:59

413x said:
To high expectations I'd say... A common thing in today's society - I have it too, but then I don't want a family!
If they can't find a man now, who's to say they will later? As shallow as it is looks aye going to fade, most will have had families already.

I think these women are trying to get around the natural fertility cycle (which is fine) but the root problem isn't going to be solved. If there's no educated men now, there isn't going to be in 10 years time

It's only going to get worse as more and more women are graduating than men.

adolf hamster said:
but to complain it's due to a lack of men? nope.

educated men*

Out of my group of 7 close friends only 1 graduated and he's about middle of the pack earnings wise as far as I know. Surely you'd think they'd be more focused on what it is you do for a living and your earnings rather than if you held a degree?

MikeTheNative · 6 Jul 2017 at 13:59

My GF has a degree, I don't. Does that make me a special? And not in the usual way people say it about me.

MooMoo444 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:00

MikeTheNative said:
My GF has a degree, I don't. Does that make me a special? And not in the usual way people say it about me.

I'd check if she has secretly frozen some eggs on the side.

Fubsy · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:01

This is one of the many steps towards Idiocracy.

My GF of almost 7 years has a degree, I don't. Then again, we don't want children - but things can change.

413x · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:02

Ayahuasca said:
It's only going to get worse as more and more women are graduating than men.

Agreed, I think it's kind of like 'hope' sane way people believe in afterlife to cope with death.

Tbh I don't like really educated or really rough women. Something in the middle. I'd never not date someone because they didn't have a degree!

PlacidCasual · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:04

Related I suppose, I'm sure read somewhere that in the US educational/intelligence is becoming a streaming characteristic for breeding. In the past lack of geographical and social mobility meant to a wider degree men and women were limited in their choice of partners which meant smart and stupid married and procreated giving the normal wide distribution of genetic intelligence. The suggestion was the greater freedom to choose partners meant the smart were marrying the smart and the less intelligent the less intelligent so the normal wide distribution is beginning to stream. Surely professional women saving eggs for lack of suitable partners is a symptom of this change in behaviour.

I don't know to what extent intelligence is from inherited genetics but if the trend becomes more culturally embedded we might end up with intellectual class divisions.

Dave M · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:06

adolf hamster said:
but to complain it's due to a lack of men? nope.

It's the expectation that women marry men who are more successful than them that is the problem. Obviously as more women become successful (and wealthy) in their careers it's going to put a strain on eligible men to pair up.

StriderX said:
Plenty of Chinese men out there with degrees and no woman

Too short

413x · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:06

Ayahuasca said:
It's only going to get worse as more and more women are graduating than men.

educated men*

Out of my group of 7 close friends only 1 graduated and he's about middle of the pack earnings wise as far as I know. Surely you'd think they'd be more focused on what it is you do for a living and your earnings rather than if you held a degree?

If someone dated me for my earnings I wouldn't date them end of

Yaayuh! · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:07

MikeTheNative said:
My GF has a degree, I don't. Does that make me a special? And not in the usual way people say it about me.

Same here! *Special High-Five*

Fubsy · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:09

Dave M said:
It's the expectation that women marry men who are more successful than them that is the problem. Obviously as more women become successful (and wealthy) in their careers it's going to put a strain on eligible men to pair up.

Ah, so is this another side effect of things actually becoming more equal? I thought women were still earning way less than men, or is this now a myth?!

EDIT: I earn less than my GF, but it about evens out after all here loan deductions come out. So pretty equal. Will she just dump me when she pays it off?

Ayahuasca · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:10

413x said:
If someone dated me for my earnings I wouldn't date them end of

So how do those earning well differentiate whether someone is dating them for their earnings or not?

Dis86 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:11

Rossi~ said:
Same here! *Special High-Five*

I believe you mean *high six* you floppy eared, uneducated inbred.

Wait...that would be a ridiculous stereotype akin to the one these daft women seem to be perpetuating.

Can I have a high five even though I have a degree please?

413x · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:15

Ayahuasca said:
So how do those earning well differentiate whether someone is dating them for their earnings or not?

Is tough! But in early stages is pretty easy to not reveal how much you earn. Don't always pay for meals and activities, don't go to really expensive places etc