Female graduates freezing eggs over a lack of educated men

adolf hamster · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:15

Dave M said:
It's the expectation that women marry men who are more successful than them that is the problem. Obviously as more women become successful (and wealthy) in their careers it's going to put a strain on eligible men to pair up.

which is exactly why lowered expectations are required, what do you want, to be successful yourself in an equal world or to have an abundant supply of successful partners?

personally i'm firm believer in relationship equality, might sound corny but you don't want your partner to be too far away from your own level, otherwise one will be reliant on the other and that opens up the entrapment of abusive relationships.

or at least i'm basing that opinion on everyone i know with a long term successful marriage have started out and remain pretty equal, and everyone i know with failed marriages had a notable difference going in. (and that's across a wide range of ages and levels, from the unemployed to reasonably well off professionals)

MikeTheNative · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:16

Dis86 said:
I believe you mean *high six* you floppy eared, uneducated inbred.

Wait...that would be a ridiculous stereotype akin to the one these daft women seem to be perpetuating.

Can I have a high five even though I have a degree please?

If she has a doctorate or higher we will let you join our special club.

Tunney · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:17

I know of several women in a similar situation and one that had a kid on her own using a sperm donor.

They're all well-educated (Oxbridge/Ivy League graduates) and career-focused. I get the impression that it's never been solely about having high standards. The main problem finding the time and opportunity to date. Maybe they would start a family with someone less educated but that's not the kind of person they work or socialise with.

balky12 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:20

MikeTheNative said:
My GF has a degree, I don't. Does that make me a special? And not in the usual way people say it about me.

Same here!

I'm also out earning all my friends with degrees...

Maybe my girlfriend is the smart one after all..

Ayahuasca · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:20

413x said:
Is tough! But in early stages is pretty easy to not reveal how much you earn. Don't always pay for meals and activities, don't go to really expensive places etc

Considering most people advertise or talk about what they do for a living early on then you're going to have some gauge on their earnings or earning potential. The fact is once you're successful financially it's impossible to know whether someone is dating you for your wealth, in fact it would be easier to assume your wealth plays a role in it.

Dis86 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:22

MikeTheNative said:
If she has a doctorate or higher we will let you join our special club.

She has a masters whilst I only have a bachelor's. Is that good enough?

Hotwired · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:28

Interesting point of view.

More like trying to stave off the biological clock than anything else.

Whatever the claim it's still their problem not someone elses that they don't have a partner.

MikeTheNative · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:33

Dis86 said:
She has a masters whilst I only have a bachelor's. Is that good enough?

We will allow it.

MikeTheNative · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:35

Degrees are rather easy to get these days so having one doesn't guarantee your smart, hard working or even going to be successful in life.

simpletom · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:40

Tunney said:
I know of several women in a similar situation and one that had a kid on her own using a sperm donor.

They're all well-educated (Oxbridge/Ivy League graduates) and career-focused. I get the impression that it's never been solely about having high standards. The main problem finding the time and opportunity to date. Maybe they would start a family with someone less educated but that's not the kind of person they work or socialise with.

I'd side with this. Socialising with 'like' people can be hard for some. My friend has a doctorate, works alongside NASA at times and is into particular art, cannot relate to some of the Sun reading bottom-feeders you meet daily. She also lacks the time to mingle in the hope of finding somebody by chance while her body clock is ticking away.

MooMoo444 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:42

MikeTheNative said:
having one doesn't guarantee your smart

Do you have one by any chance?

Dis86 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:43

MikeTheNative said:
We will allow it.

Get In! *high five* all around for us lesser educated than our partner types.

Here's to us!

Efour · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:43

MikeTheNative said:
Degrees are rather easy to get these days so having one doesn't guarantee your smart, hard working or even going to be successful in life.

Whilst this cliche is somewhat true it's not really. Being in a position socially and economically to send yourself or your child to University, already shows you are "out of the gutter" mentally. Even having some kind of ambition that isn't gunning down rival gang members or smoking the world's biggest bong.

Clearly all of you without degrees are gangbangers and drug dealers.

balky12 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:46

simpletom said:
I'd side with this. Socialising with 'like' people can be hard for some. My friend has a doctorate, works alongside NASA at times and is into particular art, cannot relate to some of the Sun reading bottom-feeders you meet daily. She also lacks the time to mingle in the hope of finding somebody by chance while her body clock is ticking away.

I think everyone can get behind someone who is having difficulties finding a partner that challenges them intellectually when they are so career focused, intelligent, demanding work, niche tastes, etc.

But don't cover it up as a lack of educated men...

MikeTheNative · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:46

MooMoo444 said:
Do you have one by any chance?

I don't, but I know I'm super smart.

LateX'Dog · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:49

Young women are a third more likely to apply to higher education than young men.

“Amid encouraging patterns of demand from mature and disadvantaged students, there remains a stubborn gap between male and female applicants which, on current trends, could eclipse the gap between rich and poor within a decade.

“Young men are becoming a disadvantaged group in terms of going to university and this underperformance needs urgent focus across the education sector.”

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UCAS 31 January 2014

University gender gap growing warns admissions chief - A gender gap has emerged in higher education, with girls dominating admissions to leading universities

Urgent action is needed to boost the number of boys applying to university to stop them becoming a “disadvantaged” minority, according to Mary Curnock Cook, the Ucas chief executive.

Young women are on average a third more likely to progress to higher education, Ucas statistics show. In some parts of the country, that number increases to 50 per cent.

“It means there is something like 32,000 young men missing from university.”

Ms Curnock Cook called for a "laser focus" on the issue of fewer boys going to university than girls.

She said: “My concern is in five or ten years’ time young men will be the new disadvantaged group. I remain astounded that there is not more political and societal focus on this."

The gender gap is most pronounced among pupils from disadvantaged backgrounds. Boys who live in the poorest 20 per cent of areas or who receive free school meals lag furthest behind girls in university admissions.

The figures will fuel concerns that white working class boys are under-achieving at school, with worse exam results than many other groups.

The Telegraph 09 Aug 2015

Mary Curnock Cook, UCAS (UK Higher Eduction Admissions System) Chief Executive said today: "Girls are doing better throughout primary, secondary and higher education than boys; poor, white boys are the most disadvantaged group in entry to higher education and the gap is getting bigger.

"The focus on White working class boys in the Higher Education Green Paper as part of the wider aim to widen university participation from all under-represented groups is a really important signal of change.

“But no amount of outreach by universities will work if boys are still too far behind when they come out of secondary education.”

UCAS 5 January 2016

At every stage of education from Secondary school, men are significantly underperforming.

Women are significantly more likely to succeed and the current educational system is catered in a way as to drive men/boys out of the system, then help them.

You constantly hear about how disadvantaged women are, but in retrospect it seems our culture is too gynocentric.

Tunney · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:50

If anyone wants a laugh, check out dating sites aimed at Oxbridge graduates. You'll soon understand why these women are freezing their eggs.

Dis86 · 6 Jul 2017 at 14:51

Ms Cook sounds like a smart cookie. However let's face it, white males are never going to be a special focus group.

Hades · 6 Jul 2017 at 15:10

This really doesn't surprise me. It's a combination of two things; firstly women want both a career and children, and secondly the risk to men of financial ruin after marriage or children is simply too high for many to consider now.

It's tricky for women to have both a career and children for the reason that at the very peak of their sexual market value they are working hard and don't want to settle down. Men generally aren't attracted by smart women (I know there are exceptions) and looks are important to them. As a women then starts looking to settle down she's no longer as attractive. At that point of their lives they would need to consider a lower value man. A lot of the educated men have moved on and built good careers. They can then "afford" younger women while some women aren't prepared to lower their standards to get what they now want.

On the flip side, as I've been saying for some time, the risk of financial and emotional devastation to men who marry and have children is approaching 50/50. Many are realising it's not worth the risk and are withdrawing from long term relationships. Why have all that risk when you can just have frequent sex outside of such a risky relationship? Long gone are the days that marriage would guarantee frequent free sex. In fact it's the opposite now. To guaranteed sex you should stay single or keep moving between short term relationships. Once the relationship becomes long term then the offer of sex quite often stalls and is replaced with the risk of taking the house and kids instead.

kindai · 6 Jul 2017 at 15:10

Can we get this right and change the word "educated" to "rich".

Female graduates freezing eggs over a lack of educated men

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