FIFA World Cup 2018 - Final [15 July] **spoilers**

Jokester said:
It doesn’t actually matter though as regards a penalty decision.

Or are you going to argue that it’s not a foul if a defender brings down a player when he doesn’t expect him to flick the ball past him?
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The final flick of the hand on the ball was not unnatural so clearly a penalty.

BBC pundits clearly not French fans. :p
 
Jokester said:
It doesn’t actually matter though as regards a penalty decision.

Or are you going to argue that it’s not a foul if a defender brings down a player when he doesn’t expect him to flick the ball past him?
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It does matter.

It can't be deliberate if he clearly doesn't have time to react to make the decision to handball.

There is nothing to suggest he could have predicted or planned the ball to hit his hand. He was trying to get his hand to his side, and at the same time was moving his leg up, and jumping.

Moving your arms and legs in the opposite direction is often completely natural. The arm movement is a counterbalance to the leg movement. See jumping, etc. Try to jump as high as you can. Notice what you do with your arms. I bet you do exactly the same as me. Your arms end up above your head, even though you are using your legs to jump. The arms become a counterbalance and hand movement enhances overall jump height. It's basic body mechanics.
 
You can literally see he jumped and getting his arms down while still in the air when the ball hits it.

First goal came from a blatant dive.

French are looking very disorganised when the ball gets crossed into the box at the moment.
 
Kenai said:
Are you blind? He's 2ft in the air

Not jumping pmsfl
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You put your hands in the air when you jump, not when your landing. He had more than enough opportunity to make sure he didn’t then let the ball hit his hand because the ball came in from about 25 yards away.
 
Arm movement just prior to the ball making contact with the arm will always look a bit suspicious. But a good referee, or a ref having a good moment, would interpret that as the player doing the right thing in drawing his arm back beside torso, and just getting unlucky that the ball still ended up hitting his arm. There is certainly enough doubt for the decision to not have been given. It has to be a clear intentional attempt to handle the ball, unlike with accidental fouls.
 
Jokester said:
You put your hands in the air when you jump, not when your landing. He had more than enough opportunity to make sure he didn’t then let the ball hit his hand because the ball came in from about 25 yards away.
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Keep moving those goalposts.

I'm still laughing at the notion he wasn't jumping
 
i hope Croatia get back in to this a blatant dive for first the french goal and 2nd the worst ref decision since lampard was robbed 8 years ago.
 
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Jokester said:
You put your hands in the air when you jump, not when your landing. He had more than enough opportunity to make sure he didn’t then let the ball hit his hand because the ball came in from about 25 yards away.
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The player a yard or less in front blocked his view, he clearly didn't have any time at all to react. It's clearly not deliberate.

Terrible, terrible decision.
 
Jokester said:
You put your hands in the air when you jump, not when your landing. He had more than enough opportunity to make sure he didn’t then let the ball hit his hand because the ball came in from about 25 yards away.
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You move your hands back down when you're landing, which is exactly what happened
 
Quaresma or Pavard (Cheryshev 3rd) for goal of the tournament for me.

I think it was a pen, he brings his arm down very quickly. Deliberate or not, it looks deliberate.
 
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