***FIFA11 PS3 10v10 Club***

i think generally we play too direct passing style. I think this is passed over from fifa 10.

I'd rather we worked the ball into positions where there is an opportunity. I think we do that sometimes if there are 5 or 6 on.

Regard pressing X. If im in midfield rcm or lcm then yep ill be pressing X a lot . Its midfield job to get ball to strikers...not strikers job to get ball from a defender in a hopeless long ball.

If im in striker ill sometimes press X (or triangle) if i am in huge amounts of space and its a clear chance (if done this a couple of times and both times didnt lose the ball). I'll also press x from the goalkick if i think i can win the header.

Not pressing X also leads to problems where the IDIOTIC cpu loses it in crazy positions.

But for me we dont pass it back enough, we dont pass it around enough, we dont pass to the CPU enough (if you dont trust cpu then just request it back from them straight away)

Ohh and we need ANY back...either rotation of any on perma basis or if someone wants it....coz CPU sucks...really sucks so bad its unreal.
 
Regard pressing X. If im in midfield rcm or lcm then yep ill be pressing X a lot . Its midfield job to get ball to strikers...not strikers job to get ball from a defender in a hopeless long ball.
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ya too often i see the cpu carry the ball from def to the half way line, maybe riding a tackle or two to get there. sometimes they get tackled by the first man.

or when the keeper has the ball and no one is calling (especially from deadballs) my player has crap heading but id rather call the ball to me and accept that i might not win it, rather than let the cpu pass the ball to the guy on the edge of the box who gets tackled instantly and provides them with a chance to score.

sometimes i call too often for the ball, sometimes its an error like i was pressing standing tackle, my guy wins the ball and hooks it to me....but othertimes, i see the cpu doing far too much, and i think well id rather i try and take a pass and deal with losing it than just watching the cpu run into a roadblock again.


But for me we dont pass it back enough, we dont pass it around enough, we dont pass to the CPU enough (if you dont trust cpu then just request it back from them straight away)
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i agree with this. often there is a square pass on but it seems ppl only do 1 way traffic and thats play it straight up when its not easily on.

but then othertimes even when theres a chance of a good pass people are delaying or doing their own thing on the ball, and this makes it incredibly difficult to time a run forward, as you dont know if they are going to release it, or stall for 2 secs forcing you offside or to stop your run.
 
I don't mind doing any, I'll give it a go but I do get those game freezes where I can't do anything for the 5 seconds that it's frozen, and I can't do anything for another 5 or 6 seconds while the game goes into fast forward to catch up with everything that it had missed when it froze. We might as well add it to the rotation I guess, Baplad did any once or twice yesterday, and he's done it before as well so perhaps we should put it on the rotation and let everyone play it, I think that is the fairest way, and while the CPU is probably better at defending than a human any, the CPU is really dire going forward and has really bad distribution, to be honest I'd rather we have someone who can pass as opposed to someone who can stop most attacks like the CPU. There's no point having a good defence if we can't do anything in the opposite direction.

What annoys me the most though is that it seems that everyone is still stuck in Fifa 10 mode, it's truly terrible at times, I watch the same people do the same things over and over and there's only so much of that you can sit through without becoming annoyed, I sat through it for 6 hours yesterday and it was probably the most boring 6 hours I've had this year. And I've been to church. Stop the stupid L1 and triangle through balls, they DO NOT WORK. Stop delaying your passes in the hopes of drawing a defender to you and creating a bit of space because 99 times out of 100 the defender just sticks a leg out and intercepts it, or you get "lag". I won't name anybody because last time I did people just get iffy with me for it, but last night there were so many opportunities for person X to pass to me but instead they decided carry on running until they eventually just ran needlessly into a defender, then blamed lag, despite the lag not contributing the entire build up of the move, especially the dribbling and turning. The point is that nobody wants to play a 1 touch passing game, they just want to get the ball, turn and then press L1 triangle and that's fine if it works, but most of the time it doesn't work, there's no point apologising for a mistake if you don't even intend to try anything different the next time, or the time after that. Also, every game I played up front I had bugger all chances, I went through that one game as a left striker and I played in the midfield, at left back, in the centre, behind the midfielders holding, everywhere... I had one shot all game in the 90th minute which ended up in the net, it went down the same flank constantly and there were way too many instance of "oh **** I'm going to lose the ball, quickly pass to anybody. AWW NO ****ING LAG!". If that is what it is going to be like every single night then I'm just going to play much less than I do now.

Also, when in the crossing zone, what the hell is the point in going backwards, forwards, backwards and then trying to cross it in on what will be your weaker foot? There is no point whatsoever it's just an opportunity to showboat which is fine if we are 2 or 3-0 up, I'll even do it myself if we are leading, but when it's 0-0 or we are losing please don't do any showboating it's absolutely pointless and most of you guys are crap at it anyway. One more thing, stop getting the CPU to shoot from the edge of the box, it absolutely wastes a chance which one of us might have been able to work into the box or cross it in and create something dangerous at least. If you can't control when you press a button on the pad then you shouldn't even be playing games.
 
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Cpu ANY is a big task for 1 person. the only one ive seen do a great job is Beenom so far. as i say, unless the mids are constantly calling the ball from the def though they will lose it. the cpu can do accurate passes but only if someone calls it up from them.

Also, when in the crossing zone, what the hell is the point in going backwards, forwards, backwards and then trying to cross it in on what will be your weaker foot?
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who was doing that - i didnt notice it that often that i would say it was a huge problem.

stop getting the CPU to shoot from the edge of the box, it absolutely wastes a chance which one of us might have been able to work into the box or cross it in and create something dangerous at least. If you can't control when you press a button on the pad then you shouldn't even be playing games.
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im not sure people are asking the cpu to shoot. the problem is that people are not calling the ball from the CPU enough letting it shoot.
 
Nickg said:
Cpu ANY is a big task for 1 person. the only one ive seen do a great job is Beenom so far. as i say, unless the mids are constantly calling the ball from the def though they will lose it. the cpu can do accurate passes but only if someone calls it up from them.



who was doing that - i didnt notice it that often that i would say it was a huge problem.



im not sure people are asking the cpu to shoot. the problem is that people are not calling the ball from the CPU enough letting it shoot.
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Okay well there are obviously no problems then. See what I mean about saying things and nobody listening?
 
hm kill you seem to flip from one exteme to another.

i didnt say there are no problems?

you are saying things, i am just trying to get more detail so that it can be resolved. otherwise its quite vague and when theres no accountability, no one takes responsibility, and you can assume that it wont change next time/
 
But what you are saying is just call for it more from the CPU which results in everyone pressing X, the CPU hesitating from all the pass requests and they just lose it like they do now, so nothing changes.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
But what you are saying is just call for it more from the CPU which results in everyone pressing X, the CPU hesitating from all the pass requests and they just lose it like they do now, so nothing changes.
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No it doesnt result in everyone pressing X if only the midfield do it. Usually 2 players in centre midfield.

No idea why you are criticising cutting back and crossing with other foot. I'll do that if a) no one seems to be in a position to head it in b) no support near me so i need to cut in. Crossing doesnt automatically mean goal if the striker doesnt escape his marker.


Stop the stupid L1 and triangle through balls
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They do work - just depends on timing. The other night was doing them fine (dont think you were on)


Stop delaying your passes in the hopes of drawing a defender to you and creating a bit of space because 99 times out of 100 the defender just sticks a leg out and intercepts it
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I can understand ppl doing this if there is no-one to pass. It makes perfect sense to draw a defender out of position coz you would then expect someone else to run into that space...thats the theory anyway.

The point is that nobody wants to play a 1 touch passing game,
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Ive always wanted to play that. Search my posts back as far as FIFA09 :p

One touch passing means short passes and player off the ball runs. We dont do that so much. (does happen sometimes)

Beenom is the best with any but doesnt seem to be on as much unfortunately :/


edit i should add that i think formation and number of players on drastically affects enjoyment! (can formation be changed halfway through match?)
 
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well no not everyone should be calling for it, but the 2 people in midifeld or however many there are should deffo be if possible.

and if one is left and one is right there is usually an easy pass or a bad pass that player with the potential good pass needs to take ownership.

for me it is worse for someone not to call the ball from the CPU - leading to the CPU getting tackled, than it is for someone to call the ball (in a half decent space) and get tackled themselves.

at least they tried. as long as they arent calling for it in a terrible position then being proactive in that case shouldnt be berated too much.

anyway im asking for more details on the problems that you saw, as well as giving more details of what i think.
 
Jesus... Okay guys so if I'm wrong about every point I made then what are the problems in club exactly? Because I'd love to know. It doesn't matter if you say "only the midfield call for it" BECAUSE NOBODY LISTENS.
 
go any? :D You have decent ball control and the person who is any can dictate play much more. I think the main problem is the passing which we all acknowledge.
 
It's not just the any though, it's people playing like utter retards. Nobody looks for a short ball for example when on the wing, they will just continue to dribble all the way to the touch line and then put a cross in, regardless of if there is a short x opportunity to cut in and play a ground ball short of the box. Currently our plan is midfielder picks the ball up, passes it to winger who just blindly runs entire length of the pitch and puts a cross in, OR, player picks it up in midfield, doesn't bother to look around to other midfielders, just press L1 and triangle over the top and either their keeper gets it or their defenders just kick it away, cue "sorry" over the mic but then they do the same thing repeatedly all game. If I'm the only one getting annoyed of things like that then please tell me, but from my point of view nobody actually wants to play football they just want to play route one boring crap.
 
Sounds like you guys got issues! Can someone invite me to the club? What sort of time are you playing?

Psn ID: Wardy--

Il run your midfield for you :)
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Jesus... Okay guys so if I'm wrong about every point I made then what are the problems in club exactly? Because I'd love to know. It doesn't matter if you say "only the midfield call for it" BECAUSE NOBODY LISTENS.
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people not making the best simple pass - quickly. sometimes it needs to go quickly, people like to run the distance or worse, stop and do something else instead of making the pass.

people not calling for the ball often enough with CPU any. only those with a good chance of recieving the ball should be doing this but they need to do it more often.

reluctance to pass any other way that directly forward. sometimes the directly forward pass isnt on, but ppl will go for it anyway.

for me those are the 3 main areas that the team could improve on to get a tangible difference quickly.
 
We were talking about these things weeks ago. I just want to see some real progress and an actual effort to change, I want to win every game. Club is so frustrating because most things are out of one persons hands, in head to head if I'm playing badly I can change it, in clubs if the team is playing badly I can't do anything.
 
hm but i dont remember talking about crossing it previously, which is what you brought up on the previous page. we as a team do seem to do a lot of crossing, perhaps it would help if there was at least 1 big target man to aim at whos job was to get the the penalty spot each game?

i can tell that you are frustrated but i think you are making bigger issue out of some things that i only saw happen a few time. honestly, i dont remember seeing anyone particularly showboating or asking the cpu to shoot.

Club is so frustrating because most things are out of one persons hands, in head to head if I'm playing badly I can change it, in clubs if the team is playing badly I can't do anything.
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thats part and parcel of being a team, look at rooney, he got fed up and he has berbatov for company. im taking it that when ppl do something wrong, they arent doing it on purpose to stop us from winning.
 
no i agree that is true. i was just voicing my opinion from what i saw yesterday. maybe you played some games before or after when i did i obviously cant comment on those.

one of my personal bug bears is lackadaisical finishing.

people shooting from well outside the box even vs a CPU keeper when in reality they should know its never going in from there.

and especially when they go through on instead of just kicking it in, trying something a wee bit flash and end up not scoring. this happened one game where i was convinced i was going to get a hat trick of assists and the next game similar things happened too.

and i know that finishing can be pretty variable but even when we are one or two up id urge people to concentrate in front of goal where possible and make sure.

Also on cut backs, (square pass in front of keeper), i think i demonstrated that quite well early on in the first match or so when i ran right in on the keeper and cut it square at the last sec ensuring an open net. and then the next time (with human keeper) i did it in the same game - the def and keeper read that i was going to square it again, so as soon as they all moved i just kicked it into the near post. simple and guarantees the goal.
 
Slowly reading these points and responding - so bear with me - also dont think Im not pointing the finger at myself...
Surfer said:
i think generally we play too direct passing style. I think this is passed over from fifa 10.
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Partially disagree - I think certain people still play like its FIFA 10 or if its 5 star 1v1 game they are playing - I wouldnt say as a whole what we do has any bearing on FIFA 10, but when we get desperate we do devolve our play to that far too easily...
Surfer said:
I'd rather we worked the ball into positions where there is an opportunity. I think we do that sometimes if there are 5 or 6 on.
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But for me we dont pass it back enough, we dont pass it around enough, we dont pass to the CPU enough (if you dont trust cpu then just request it back from them straight away)
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Agreed - not all passes have to be forward, but Id rather them be short and precise (far too many passes are intercepted or ground through balls that your VP isnt capable of doing or constantly poorly aimed crosses - learn what they can/cant do and if you dont like it, level them up) so at a minimum we retain the ball. I dont think passing directly back to CPU helps because whoevers hounding you will run in the same direction they were to you to hound them (notice kick offs). Playing width seems a better solution...
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Regard pressing X. If im in midfield rcm or lcm then yep ill be pressing X a lot . Its midfield job to get ball to strikers...not strikers job to get ball from a defender in a hopeless long ball.

If im in striker ill sometimes press X (or triangle) if i am in huge amounts of space and its a clear chance (if done this a couple of times and both times didnt lose the ball). I'll also press x from the goalkick if i think i can win the header.

Not pressing X also leads to problems where the IDIOTIC cpu loses it in crazy positions.
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One of the main reasons I expected people to train their VPs to get a better understanding of teamplay (this isnt scoring or just providing the killer pass) - it doesnt seem to have worked. We never got the x request situation 100% sorted in FIFA 10 and I doubt we will in FIFA 11 - I have to hope in time and learning how people play will help.

I do agree that midfield should serve the forwards, but really we should be trying to get to a situation where when you ask for the ball you know who is around you from our team, what they are probably gonna do once they see you with the ball. Quite a few of the chances we made is when the the early pass/cross and given it rather than waiting to go past some imaginary line which then allows them to cross or get closed down before they decide to pass...

People know if Im ST and the ball is on my wing that Ill go wide to support even if it means me crossing, I shouldnt do it all the time and I try not to but at least its an option. I know if Skips up front and Im mid he will generally do the same and overlap me and give me that same option.

While I remember can people stop asking for it from the goal kick if you havent already realised that the GK kicks it short every time you ask for it, when I was CAM I kept getting the goal kick because my ST was repeatedly asking for it while they were running up the pitch to their position. When you ask for an x request the GK and invariably CPU player will pass to where you pressed it, not to where you are seconds after you asked for it.

Surfer said:
Ohh and we need ANY back...either rotation of any on perma basis or if someone wants it....coz CPU sucks...really sucks so bad its unreal.
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I agree, the CPU is ****, but its a minor inconvenience when there are 5/6 people and it only has the defence to worry about, but we need to start using a Human ANY in other situations - I dont look forward to that because Im just not good enough and when Ive done ANY in FIFA 11 weve rarely got out of our half. If you think about it though, with us overloading the CPU with x requests and just being in crap places to ask for the ball its not really surprising that the CPU does as badly as it has. It makes sense that if you are ANY you set your VP as a defensive player to help yourself out...

Also has anybody noticed how reactive the defence is to the circle button when you are captain? I never hold it down now because its literally like playing 1v1 with me pressing x to tackle. Its actually far less difficult than FIFA 09/10 if you let the CPU keep the form and help it tackle when needed...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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