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JCVD would smear him
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Poll: Fight: steven seagal v JCVD - Who do you think would win?
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Dolph Lundgren should have been Guile.
Not if he only has a black belt in shotokan he is not.
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How many black belts do you have? not counting the ones you wear with your ripped stone washed jeans.
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If you watch the video linked back in the thread even in a mock fight Chuck is constantly pulling his punches in a real fight Bruce Lee would have got mullered, Bruce Lee has to exert himself just to stay in the same league in a play fight.
Seagal is (was) deceptively quick and in close combat in his prime he'd have been all over JCVD any time he tried to close. These days tho I suspect JCVD could run rings around him looking for the opportunity and the fight would be over very quickly when he found it tho I wouldn't count Seagal out he is the more accomplished of the 2 at martial arts (in terms of technique and training, etc.).
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You do realise after the first few Dans they really don't count for skill much? You don't get tested, just given them for your dedication to the cause.*
I assume Van Damme is also a pretty high Dan as well considering he won championships.
Seagal did set up and run his own club (or two) for a while oh his side, don't know about Van Damme, but then that's not really saying much as I know a lot of people who run their own clubs and would probably get mashed because of their age...
Either way I think Van Damme now and perhaps Segal in his prime.
EDIT: * By that I mean: After a few Dans you are not tested any more because you are expected to be of a high enough skill and dedication that you don't need to be, you then progress by teaching/working for/in your sport and showing dedication (obviously you also still train).
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Soldato
Waits for the retaliatory blow.
Why?
Shotokan is a style of Karate.
Even if he claims to hold a black belt I'd still favour JCVD knowing a heck of a lot more than he does about the art.
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Bruce Lee would take those two fairies apart:
Am I the only one that saw the start of the first clip and thought... "They look like they are about to get it on"?
A clip that begins with two guys meeting in an alley before starting to take their clothes off usually only goes one way...
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All four of those tbh.. the three sports mentioned previously are more effective marital arts than Aikido.
Please don't go down the route of ah but XYZ is merely a 'sport' whereas ABC is an 'art'..... its complete nonsense. Putting aside the romanticism etc.. if you want to learn an 'art' in order to defend yourself then one which is tested in competition will likely be more effective.
Nope but it doesn't provide any evidence of it being effective either (FWIW I don't *hate* Aikido per say I just consider it pointless)- you're bang on when you state it is borderline bullshido. Put it this way aside from manipulation of digits (tbh.. only a small part) there is nothing stopping people from putting Aikido techniques to use in MMA competitions it is very unlikely they'll do so as the opportunity to use said techniques are few and far between. Indeed it is rather rare for anyone to use anything Aikido like within these sorts of competitions - the main reason being that there are much more effective martial arts out there. I'm sure it can look impressive against an untrained opponent and its not all completely useless but aside from learning the art for the sake of learning the art I don't see any reason to study it - (well maybe aside from getting lots of practice throwing compliant ukes around a room.)
If someone wants to learn to defend themselves in a way that doesn't involve kicking/punching/facing possible assault charges then Judo is a very very effective sport/martial art to study.
Been training for 30 years then?
As already mentioned, it's nothing to do with black belts after a while. It's all about training and time...
I assume you trained with the Army though? Which probably means you learnt a bastardised version of it.
I hold a nihon black belt in higashi kai karate. It is of a higher degree than a blackbelt in shotokan.
Whether jcvd is of a higher rank or not, I cannot say, I can only go by what is reported and that is that he holds the black belt.
'The Army' doesn't teach Karate AFIK as part of any particular program unless there is a karate club run somewhere?
Some PTI was offering kickboxing lessons in Iraq when I was on op telic and I've had a couple of ad-hoc lesson in methods of restraint (taught by a police officer) aside form that there isn't much call for formal martial arts training.
I believe that historically the unarmed combat system taught to commandos in WW2 has its foundations in Judo.
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Why? Lets pick something like BJJ, where it almost always involves going to the floor. Great for one on one. Unfortunately fights on the street aren't one on one. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw a mono-a-mono fight. So I would say, for 'defending' oneself (you really mean being offensive defensively), something like Krav Maga would destroy sport/anything tested in competition.
I find if very, very odd that you dismiss Aikido, yet fully accept Judo - two feathers of the same quill. In fact, anyone proficient at Judo and Aikido would tell you they overlap quite a bit.
Whilst Aikido might be dancing to you, it is used extensively - in parts - by police, prison, military and security forces around the world. Again, this depends completely on style.
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