Poll: Fight: steven seagal v JCVD - Who do you think would win?

Who would win?

  • Steven Seagal

    Votes: 196 44.5%
  • JCVD

    Votes: 244 55.5%

  • Total voters
    440
Two words: karate kyokushin.

I wouldn't call those light flicks to the head sir.

erm

As for karate that depends on the style

FWIW you'll find more karate schools training with light sparring than you'll find practicing full contact.

Why you think I'd be against the idea of training in full contact karate is beyond me - personally I think muay thai would likely be a lot more effective but I'm not dismissing kyokushin.
 
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He has helped train UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva and was in his corner at UFC 117 in August 2010. Silva credited Seagal with teaching him the kick that knocked out Vitor Belfort in their fight at UFC 126.



As some of you like watching videos rather than actually doing it yourself, Anderson Silva trained by Steven Seagal.....


If Steven Seagal was all Bullshido as some of you say then why on earth is a UFC champion taking instruction from him.


How many UFC/MMA champions has JCVD trained.
 
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Role play! :D Thought MMA didn't have that? ;)

Doh, not seen UFC 126 yet so you just ruined it! :p

Won't complain too much in case you do some role playing on me. :eek:

If fighters didn't have role play then they would always be injured. Who said they don't role play?
 
So you are conceding that it is disingenuous to use a broad stroke brush to label things?

I thought I'd made my position fairly clear - and FWIW I was quite specific in my wording of the previous post.

I'm critical of bullshido and frankly aikido and tai chi haven't shown themselves to be anything but - regardless of what you'd like to believe.

To try and extrapolate that and paint the picture that I'm somehow against any form of traditional martial art is a bit rich tbh... obviously I must also be dismissing full contact karate etc... FWIW Judo and Muay Thai are traditional martial arts too - at least Judo has been around for longer than most of the supposed traditional Ju Jistu taught in the UK today.
 
If Steven Seagal was all Bullshido as some of you say then why on earth is a UFC champion taking instruction from him.


How many UFC/MMA champions has JCVD trained.

I believe this has already been posted.

So can you link to a clip of him putting some Aikido into practice in competition please?
 
I believe this has already been posted.

So can you link to a clip of him putting some Aikido into practice in competition please?

Watch UFC 126 obviously where Silva does just that.

But the question was, why would a UFC champion take instruction from an Aikido master if it had no merit as you contend?
 
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I don't know what his motivations were - perhpas you could contact him and ask him personally.

Please show me where he specifically put an Aikido move into practice in competition?
 
I was in the Marines, not the army and I held a Black belt before I joined. I began study when I was around 5 years old, my father was and is a rokudan black belt. I trained and studied up until my injury forced me to quit 6 years ago. I am only now getting back to enough fitness and strength to continue.

I learned unarmed combat in the Marines which has a mixture of different styles taught, I also studied Taekwondo and Tai Chi Chuan but not to Black Belt level (it was mainly because they were the only options where I was based at various times.)



I wasn't comparing myself with anyone specifically, only making the comparison that while Van Damme has a certain skill level he is still a student (much of what you see on screen is actually Ballet and Dance techniques, not Karate or Taekwondo), whereas Seagal is a Master and Teacher. Going by their relative experience alone Steven Seagal is by far the better.

Interestingly, being skilled in a martial art, even multiple ones doesn't make you "hard" or necessarily mean you are going to win a fight, being a good unarmed fighter is about far more than what discipline you may have studied.

I'm sure you mentioned that you could beat JCVD in the post we quoted. ;)

How old are you now? I only ask because my dad has been training for 20 years in Karate yet I know he wouldn't be able to beat JCVD. Especially considering he (JCVD) is a european champion in Karate and is about to fight his first professional kickboxing match.

I agree totally with the latter point though. Just because you know your art doesn't mean you will inherently win, it will probably give you an advantage but you need the aggression and balls to go with it. I know quite a few 4th dan and up karate practicioners (including an 8th dan) yet I couldn't see many of them really winning a fight (but then again a few of them have won various national and international accolades so maybe it just goes to show that you can't judge a book by its cover).
 
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I don't know what his motivations were - perhpas you could contact him and ask him personally.

Please show me where he specifically put an Aikido move into practice in competition?

Why do I need to that. A UFC champion fighter credits Seagal with teaching him the move which won him the fight and yet you feel qualified enough to question his integrity.

I don't really know what you are trying to prove really. As people have said styles and different arts are not directly comparable and any decent fighter will have various styles in his repertoire.

Seagal is no different.
 
I'm sure you mentioned that you could beat JCVD in the post we quoted. ;)

erm....no, I stated he is no more skilled than I am if he only holds a Black Belt in Karate.

How old are you now? I only ask because my dad has been training for 20 years in Karate yet I know he wouldn't be able to beat JCVD. Especially considering he (JCVD) is a european champion in Karate and is about to fight his first professional kickboxing match.

I'm 41 years old with 30 years experience in various styles of martial arts and 18 years unarmed commando combat training. Not that its at all relevant.

My injuries would exclude me from competition now anyway. I don't particularly want to make this about me tbh. Lets just say I have some experience of fighting unarmed and leave it at that,

In competition there are rules, would an actor be able to beat a fully trained and experienced commando in unarmed combat sparring, I don't know.

But by qualification alone, JCVD is a blackbelt who last held a competition title when he was 21.

I agree totally with the latter point though. Just because you know your art doesn't mean you will inherently win, it will probably give you an advantage but you need the aggression and balls to go with it. I know quite a few 4th dan and up karate practicioners (including an 8th dan) yet I couldn't see many of them really winning a fight (but then again a few of them have won various national and international accolades so maybe it just goes to show that you can't judge a book by its cover).

Which is really my entire point.
 
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Can anyone show me where he's put some Aikido into practice following this training.

As for his motivations we can only guess but someone looking into another style isn't necessarily an endorsement of that styles efficiency.

Some western doctors might investigate alternative medicine for example.

Maybe he did get something useful from Aikido maybe he didn't - maybe training with a Hollywood celebrity was fun all the same. If Tom Cruise invited me round to the church of Scientology I'd prob go round there - Its not necessarily an endorsement on my part of Scientology.

Perhpas we'll see an influx of MMA practitioners putting aikido into practice - thought strangely enough this hasn't happened in the past and its not as though aikido has been some big secret no-one knew about until now.
 
Can anyone show me where he's put some Aikido into practice following this training.

As for his motivations we can only guess but someone looking into another style isn't necessarily an endorsement of that styles efficiency.

Some western doctors might investigate alternative medicine for example.

Maybe he did get something useful from Aikido maybe he didn't - maybe training with a Hollywood celebrity was fun all the same. If Tom Cruise invited me round to the church of Scientology I'd prob go round there - Its not necessarily an endorsement on my part of Scientology.

Perhpas we'll see an influx of MMA practitioners putting aikido into practice - thought strangely enough this hasn't happened in the past and its not as though aikido has been some big secret no-one knew about until now.

You're getting boring now.

Anderson Silva himself credited Seagal with the moves that won him the fight. His word should be sufficient.
 
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