**Football 19th-22nd March** 2010/2011

Bucket said:
Everyone knew Masc was going long before Woy was in charge.
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And people were expecting Torres to leave before Roy took over too :confused:

As it happened, the club managed to hang on to Torres last summer and had the start of this season to try and persuade him to stay beyond this season. However the way we started the season meant that Torres didn't even want to see the season out, which most people expected him to do once he stayed last summer.
 
Tombstone said:
Not sure I would agree about genius, but he is fantastic entertainment, which is ultimately why I watch football. Mourinho v Holloway would be immense fun :)
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Yeah, Mourinho would put rent-a-quote in his place.

Mourinho has done it all, with money, without money, in Portugal, in England, in Italy.

Its a shame he is working under that utter **** Valdano at Real.
 
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Yeah, Mourinho would put rent-a-quote in his place.

Mourinho has done it all, with money, without money, in Portugal, in England, in Italy.

Its a shame he is working under that utter **** Valdano at Real.
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That's slightly bending it. Ignoring whatever went on with Benfica, he then went on to União de Leiria, where he finished 5th, just 2 seasons after they got to 6th.

If he'd won for a minor Portugese club by all means it could be said his league titles and Euro Cup were done without money. But he did the league with Porto. That side, along with Benfica and Sporting Lisbon make up the big 3 in Portugal. Their spending power etc. far outweighs the competition, a bit like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland or Real and Barca in Spain.

Then onto Chelsea where he already had a very expensive squad and added to it.

Inter next, and because of the match fixing scandal that for all intents and purposes removed Milan and Juventus, the same applies again. Also, there too, he splashed the cash.

Real Madrid has more money than the competition. More than Barca, but it so happens that the latter is going through a freak period. Take away Messi though, somebody who he can't buy then he has a chance. He may win a Euro Cup if he can avoid them, but he won't win La Liga at least for another couple of years just simply because, as things look, there isn't anybody else I can think of to buy.

He's good, but I'd say his real talent is knowing when/where to move or making the best out of already very favourable circumstances.
 
SideWinder said:
...hows the City/Chelsea game going anyone? You lot are being very quiet. :p
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It's a fantastic pacey game, lovely end to end stuff and a lot of enthusiasm - even from Torres! The First goal, if there is one will be very important, there's not been a clear chance yet.

I would like a 0-0!
 
Greenlizard0 said:
That's slightly bending it. Ignoring whatever went on with Benfica, he then went on to União de Leiria, where he finished 5th, just 2 seasons after they got to 6th.

If he'd won for a minor Portugese club by all means it could be said his league titles and Euro Cup were done without money. But he did the league with Porto. That side, along with Benfica and Sporting Lisbon make up the big 3 in Portugal. Their spending power etc. far outweighs the competition, a bit like Rangers and Celtic in Scotland or Real and Barca in Spain.

Then onto Chelsea where he already had a very expensive squad and added to it.

Inter next, and because of the match fixing scandal that for all intents and purposes removed Milan and Juventus, the same applies again. Also, there too, he splashed the cash.

Real Madrid has more money than the competition. More than Barca, but it so happens that the latter is going through a freak period. Take away Messi though, somebody who he can't buy then he has a chance. He may win a Euro Cup if he can avoid them, but he won't win La Liga at least for another couple of years just simply because, as things look, there isn't anybody else I can think of to buy.

He's good, but I'd say his real talent is knowing when/where to move or making the best out of already very favourable circumstances.
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You can walk through every single title win and justify it with faint praise.


Pep interited the team

SAF is beating poor sides this season.

Ronaldo makes us a one man team

etc etc

At some point you have to actually say the manager is responsible.
 
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You can walk through every single title win and justify it with faint praise.


Pep interited the team

SAF is beating poor sides this season.

Ronaldo makes us a one man team

etc etc

At some point you have to actually say the manager is responsible.
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No I don't.

Sure the concept that if a guy goes everywhere and is successful, you'd surely attribute that to him. I don't care for minor things or niggles you've pointed out above.

But these aren't minor things, I'm not scraping the bottom of the barrel here. Look at the reasons above, they're very strong cases for all of the sides he's won trophies for.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not moaning or calling it lucky, I'm saying at some point it has to be said that he's very smart career wise.
 
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