SSN are talking about players having to wear masks, how will that effect their breathing? what happens when a player has a throat load of phlegm he needs to get rid of? what if someone gets an open wound? it's all getting a bit ridiculous just to be able to finish the season.
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We aren't spending potentially millions on lawyers to fight a losing case though. For a motion to pass within the PL it needs the support of at least 14 clubs. Votes on things like relegation, promotion and whether a title is awarded or not will be held independently. Null and void won't be on the table as that will exclude PL sides from Europe which even sides in the bottom half won't want as it will damage the PL brand and future tv rights.
Which other 6 clubs will support Utd in voting against PPG being used? If relegations are still happening then Villa might and Sheffield Utd too as they may argue that they could have leepfrogged Utd with their game in hand. If relegations are ruled out (which I suspect they will) then you're losing the support of Villa. PPG, as things stand, roll back to the last completed game week etc etc, it won't effect any other side and they'll have no reason to vote against it. PPG will almost certainly be used if the League isn't finished.
And Liverpool beat Utd convincingly twice in 08/09 - have you just awarded Liverpool another League title? Oh and Chelsea were absolutely robbed vs you at Stamford Bridge.
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Yes but that season was finished so a true champion could be crowned unlike one that is partially finished.
But it proves that beating a side home and a way counts for nothing when it comes to the final rankings and therefore you beating Chelsea is meaningless in terms of who will finish higher at the end of the season.
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I never said it was meaningful anyway just my annoyance of it all. As you said we have made only 1 point to Chelsea since the turn of the year but look at a) the difference in games played and b) the quality of teams we have played since then. We had reached the top of our hill and had favourable fixtures to finish. Chelsea still had Wolves, Liverpool and City. The Liverpool game we lost could have been replaced by Norwich and now we sit 4th on goal difference.
I completely understand your frustrations if the League is ended and PPG is used (and City's ban is overturned or delayed) but Utd won't have a leg to stand on. I've said it 100 times now, you cannot point to difficulty of remaining games when Utd have dropped more points in the 'easy' games than Chelsea have. Imagine how annoyed you would be and then times it by 1000 for Chelsea fans if some fantasy calculation was used to deny Chelsea of 4th. The League won't do it and UEFA won't allow it anyway. No solution other than playing every game at the correct stadiums is fair and even then people will complain that x have been advantaged/disadvantaged because of players returning from injury etc. If that can't happen then the League will work their way through a list of the least not fair options from playing games at neutral venues, plays-offs, eventually down to PPG if no matches can be played. But PPG will be what is used - there will be differences across Europe on relegations/promotions and whether titles are awarded but the final positions will be decided that way. The Belgium's have done it, the Dutch, the French and the Scottish have confirmed that they will if they cannot play on too.
edit: and here you go:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-model-to-determine-premier-league-standings-ttt8tnldd
There's a mathematical model out there that's used to by FIFA in it's rankings. It takes into account the quality of teams of the opposition and home advantage. Using that model there would be no change to the current League table. Utd would still finish 5th. Sheffield Utd, despite being level on points with Wolves and having a game in hand, would still finish 7th and Villa would still finish 19th. Liverpool finish with 105.9 points and are the greatest team the world has ever seen.
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Even playing at your own stadium isn’t fair now TBH as you have lost your 12th man, a lot of clubs will say it’s not fair because other clubs will have had the advantage of fans at home which other clubs won’t have, I still don’t see anymore football being played and the season finishing on a PPG basis
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So you finish the season on a PPG basis, its only the manu fans that are unhappy, because they think they have a god given right to be in the CL for some reason, even though they have been ***** for most of the season and are the worst team in the top 6 for dropping points to bottom half teams
If it relegates Villa then they wouldn't be happy and neither would Sheffield Utd. And that's just specifically those against PPG if the season cannot be finished, nearly all the 20 clubs want the season finished over ending now and using PPG. I know you keep saying that the season will be scrapped and it may well end up being if circumstances don't change/improve as clubs hope over the next 6 weeks, however all the signs are that the PL are pushing ahead with plans to resume and seemingly doing so with full support of the government. If it is somehow possible then the League finishes.
The PL will be meeting today and you know what the main topic of discussion will be? The news that broadcasters in France have now refused to pay Ligue 1 the money owed for the remainder of this season. That will be the kick up the arse that any wavering clubs need to commit to finishing.
The PL will be meeting today and you know what the main topic of discussion will be? The news that broadcasters in France have now refused to pay Ligue 1 the money owed for the remainder of this season. That will be the kick up the arse that any wavering clubs need to commit to finishing.
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It won’t relegate anyone, I thought the general consensus was we would play the premier league with more teams and relegate them next season
I thought and still think they won't relegate anybody but I thought the same for all major Leagues and the French just relegated their bottom two. The idea about no relegations and promoting Leeds & West Brom was floated by Brighton's CEO right at the start of this and it sounded like it was something that the PL had discussed but it's far from a certainty.
The PL don't want an expanded League. It's already hard enough for the top sides to fit in all their games in normal times so adding another 4 fixtures into a season that is likely to be shortened will be a nightmare. Further to that, they're going to be playing an extra 4 games but the League's TV money will now be shared by 22 teams instead of 20 meaning they're earning less for more work.
The decision on whether they relegate and or promote sides will be based on whatever the League decides is the cheapest/safest option. They'll be privately pleased by the Dutch and French decisions to end their seasons and specifically the fact that one has decided to block promotion and relegation and the other has gone ahead with them. They'll have a very close eye on the claims behind made against Leagues from clubs that have been denied promotion and clubs that have been relegated. I've already seen it reported that the PL are already consulting with lawyers in relation to defending a claim made by Leeds and West Brom if they are denied promotion - the argument being that promoted sides have historically spent all the extra revenue they've made and therefore there's no grounds for a claim for lost earnings. No doubt they'll be also be looking into ways of defending themselves against claims from clubs that could be relegated too.
I am not sure. It is not my job. I just want something in place that takes into account remaining opposition and current league form.
If you honestly believe Man Utd's lawyers are going to accept a 5th place finish then you are more delusional than I am!
here you go. This is exactly what Euroclubindex does...
https://www.euroclubindex.com/league-odds/
you’re right though, I’d expect Man Utd to be fighting tooth and nail for a solution that means they finish top 4, though that claim is entirely subjective and unlikely to be based on sporting merit or fair stats analysis.
you realise voiding the season means no English teams qualify don’t you?
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That won’t be good enough for him because it doesn’t have manu in 4th place because remember they are manu and deserve to be there in fact they deserve to be given the title because we’ll you know “manu”
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Give it 10 mins mate and he will, like the amount of people that will be giving it Liverpool didn’t really win the league because you didn’t complete all the games and there was still a chance city could have caught you
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I will come though, people will sharp forget you were head and shoulders above anyone else, it might be a good thing that you did lose a game because that would be a killer not knowing if you could have went the whole season unbeaten