Ford Mustang to be released in EU

I don't really see the point in comparing this that our the other, they both have similar enough power delivery that just looking at the lower weight tells you the mustang will be quicker at equivalent power levels.

There's no major gearing differences, no 4wd vs rwd to consider etc. so regardless of what needs what adding, by the time you have 700bhp in both, the Mustang will be quicker.

Such a monumentally pointless argument lol
 
Mal X said:
no you're not understanding a thing are you....not a thing........you're flipping cheating:(

you're tuning up a standard Mustang......but the Hellcat is Standard too, it's much faster than a standard Mustang Shelby, do you understand this.

the rest of your post is null and void, because these are tuned up cars.....anyone can tune up a car

Road handling??? yes the Mustang wins, but we're not talking about that are we, we're talking 1/4 mile only.............Factory trim only :cool:
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OK Roush Stage 3 then, you can buy it from Ford or Roush directly for $56,000 has 670BHP and does the quarter in 10.9s at 135mph on street tyres. Quicker than a Hellcat, cost less and corners vastly superior. :)
http://www.roushperformance.com/vehicles/mustang-2016-stage3.html
 
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Kenai said:
I don't really see the point in comparing this that our the other, they both have similar enough power delivery that just looking at the lower weight tells you the mustang will be quicker at equivalent power levels.

There's no major gearing differences, no 4wd vs rwd to consider etc. so regardless of what needs what adding, by the time you have 700bhp in both, the Mustang will be quicker.

Such a monumentally pointless argument lol
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Agreed, just baffles me why he cannot see thi and its just friendly banter. :)
 
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Gibbo said:
Don't think you get it buddy.

A Hellcat is a tuned up Challenger, supercharger added.

Ford have not officially released the GT500/550 yet. So you can only compare to Roush or a superchargered Mustang GT. Fairest comparison would be the Roush Stage 3 $56,000 compared to Hellcat $64,000. The Roush is quicker in a straight line and handling wise in a different league and it cost less. :)

Adding a blower to a Mustang GT makes it quicker than a Hellcat, pretty damn cool really when you consider cost of super charger is $6000 and that is all it takes to have Hellcat beating performance. :)

People are running close to 1000BHP on the stock Mustang engine, its forged from the factory, I say they are mental but hey let them do it, 700 will be more than enough for me and a lot safer.
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the Hellcat is a detuned Hemi Shaker engine with a smaller Stroke, this is to keep it reliable...... but the right engine to use is the Shaker 6.4

you would need to research which blower to use on the Dodge, the one i saw the other day was 900HP........no other engine mods.

but if you mod the whole Hemi Engine, it'll give you about 1700 hp, but as you've said it would be far too dangerous on the road:cool:

the Dodge was not supercharged to take on the Mustang, it was done so because the American market moaned that the 2012 Challenger was too slow, so Dodge saw a market for it..............this is great for everyone :cool:

what about the Mustang R ? Ford sold it without a blower, it really is as simple as that

I would have done this:-

1.............Shelby GT as now
2.............Shelby GT Type R.......road race with blower

it's the ``R Version`` that seems wrong to me, it needs to be miles more powerful, it's just an upgrade pack.

where has Dodge gone wrong ?.............the Charger Hellcat, the whole car is wrong
 
I don't understand why the Challenger is being compared to the Mustang... It's missing a key feature, being RHD. Regardless of how good it may or may not be, you can't easily buy one in the UK.

Quite a few videos of the Hellcat round a track also show it to be slower than cars with several hundred HP less due to its weight.
 
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Mal X said:
the Hellcat is a detuned Hemi Shaker engine with a smaller Stroke, this is to keep it reliable...... but the right engine to use is the Shaker 6.4

you would need to research which blower to use on the Dodge, the one i saw the other day was 900HP........no other engine mods.

but if you mod the whole Hemi Engine, it'll give you about 1700 hp, but as you've said it would be far too dangerous on the road:cool:

the Dodge was not supercharged to take on the Mustang, it was done so because the American market moaned that the 2012 Challenger was too slow, so Dodge saw a market for it..............this is great for everyone :cool:

what about the Mustang R ? Ford sold it without a blower, it really is as simple as that

I would have done this:-

1.............Shelby GT as now
2.............Shelby GT Type R.......road race with blower

it's the ``R Version`` that seems wrong to me, it needs to be miles more powerful, it's just an upgrade pack.

where has Dodge gone wrong ?.............the Charger Hellcat, the whole car is wrong
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Your not up on your Mustang history. ;)

Shelby 350's are the road course cars, the circuit racers and this is how they have always being. They are all about handling, balance and lap times.

Ford released the 350R to go up against cars costing 3x-5x its price and rival them on track and they seem to have succeeded. :)

The 500/550 has always being the supercharged car and the more popular car as Ford produce more of it as it is typically always simply a GT car with a super charger added and some posh looking wheels/trim. GT500 focuses more on power and looks then absolute balance/handling.

Ford have not yet released the official GT500 S550 yet, all that is know is it uses the Whipple 2.9l supercharger and will be pushing anywhere from 750-850BHP out the factory. Though there is also rumours of it being twin turbo to meet EU regulations for emissions and as such will be turbocharged, at which point I don't like it, not a turbo guy. Of course being turbo charged means turning it upto 900BHP comes very cheap and easy to do, cough remap. :D
 
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Let's not forget the Hellcat came out some 7 years after the original bog standard Challenger, Ford have got a bit of time to put a supercharged nutter version of the Mustang to market, don't expect the current line up of Shelby cars to be the be all and end all of 'stock' Mustangs.
 
Kenai said:
Let's not forget the Hellcat came out some 7 years after the original bog standard Challenger, Ford have got a bit of time to put a supercharged nutter version of the Mustang to market, don't expect the current line up of Shelby cars to be the be all and end all of 'stock' Mustangs.
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As I said above, Mal X is miss-understanding Ford, S550 like you say is a brand new platform.

GT 350 is the road/circuit racer, they released it and it is godlike good and sold out everywhere.

GT 500 is rumoured sometime 2016 or 2017 latest and will be FI with around 750BHP and potentially weighing less than GT350, who knows what Ford are upto but the S550 platform is very special and performing very well. I just hope it is supercharged, but maybe I should hope for Turbo's because that means it will probably come to Europe and UK. :)
 
Gibbo said:
Agreed, just baffles me why he cannot see thi and its just friendly banter. :)
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what makes you think i'm annoyed, because i'm not :)

i'm just saying ``factory car vs factory car``

it's pretty obvious if you started Drag racing or Circuit racing etc, that neither of these cars would remain standard for long.... you'd start pulling it apart at the end of the season.

if one is thinking along these lines, then a brand new Challenger is totally wrong anyway, i'd build a much lighter Street Rod for a 1/3rd the price and shove a Hemi in it, i would never buy an expensive new car to go Drag racing, i'd build a car from scratch !!!!!

you cant race in a standard car anyway, because an 8 second Mustang will have loads of chassis and body mods, that you wont notice in photos, it'll be gutted inside !!!
 
Mal X said:
what makes you think i'm annoyed, because i'm not :)

i'm just saying ``factory car vs factory car``

it's pretty obvious if you started Drag racing or Circuit racing etc, that neither of these cars would remain standard for long.... you'd start pulling it apart at the end of the season.

if one is thinking along these lines, then a brand new Challenger is totally wrong anyway, i'd build a much lighter Street Rod for a 1/3rd the price and shove a Hemi in it, i would never buy an expensive new car to go Drag racing, i'd build a car from scratch !!!!!

you cant race in a standard car anyway, because an 8 second Mustang will have loads of chassis and body mods, that you wont notice in photos, it'll be gutted inside !!!
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Don't wanna drag race or circuit race, just want a well mannered road car, that looks awesome, sounds awesome and goes like a rocket that does not cost a fortune. :)

Got the M3 for track work. :)
 
Mal X said:
i'm just saying ``factory car vs factory car``
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In which case, wait for the GT500 of the new shape to appear, it'll more than likely be significantly upwards of 700bhp and eat the Hellcat for breakfast in a straight line.

Pointless comparing the ultimate factory Challenger to the 'baby' Shelby just because the Mustang has only just come out and Ford haven't realeased all the performance variants yet.
 
Gibbo said:
As I said above, Mal X is miss-understanding Ford, S550 like you say is a brand new platform.

GT 350 is the road/circuit racer, they released it and it is godlike good and sold out everywhere.

GT 500 is rumoured sometime 2016 or 2017 latest and will be FI with around 750BHP and potentially weighing less than GT350, who knows what Ford are upto but the S550 platform is very special and performing very well. I just hope it is supercharged, but maybe I should hope for Turbo's because that means it will probably come to Europe and UK. :)
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yea well, i cant say i'm a Ford fan anyway, i'm a Dodge/Chrysler fan.....well to be honest Drag racing is my passion !!!
 
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Mal X said:
no it's you that's not understanding a thing......you're flipping cheating:(

you're tuning up a standard Mustang......but the Hellcat is Standard already, it's much faster than the standard Mustang Shelby R, do you understand this.
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Are you not cheating on the basis you are 'racing' a car you dont actually have, whereas Gibbo will have the car regardless of state of tune?
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Are you not cheating on the basis you are 'racing' a car you dont actually have, whereas Gibbo will have the car regardless of state of tune?
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Good point! :D

In other good news Directline quoted me £317, so I told them about all the modifications, suspension, exhaust, interior, decals on and on and on. They noted everything, came back to me with £415. Am over the moon with that quote! :)

They did however state they will not insure the car if I super charge it, so I rang a few more insurers, with supercharger declared with an estimated 700BHP £550-£650 which also insures the vehicle market price plus the cost to replace the modifications.

So will take the Directline offer as my plan is to supercharge after a years ownership. :)

Got a feeling in a year though insurance will go up, one has already written off, by a dealership sales person, LOL.
 
The salesperson had a customer out on a test drive in a demo. Salesman was driving and, as he left the roundabout, applied the power too soon and spun the car, hitting a fence and ripping the back end and exhaust system etc off.... oops :o

I have driven one a couple of times so far and, if you you're not careful, it will slide out. Just people not knowing how to drive a 420BHP RWD car and thinking they can drive it like a normal FWD car and applying power mid bend without realising what will happen...
 
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