Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.
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Hilarious, so they only went for an hour the first day because of the weather then they went back the second day just for the Cathedral, then they went home... right.
Russia Today is coming out with all sorts of nonsense about this one too - disregarding things the UK have said, for example the UK suspected the names are aliases but hasn't been definitive either way, they also suspected the perfume bottle was transported separately (possibly in a diplomatic bag) but the two suspects have made some comments about how they'd not had the perfume bottle and how customs officers would have questioned two straight men carrying women's perfume...
rather hard to justify that tbh..
Of course they're lying, they were there to assassinate a former MI6 agent.
way too many assumptions given you have no alternative and the simpler possibility is that they did indeed walk up to the house and carry out this attack
You don't know they were his mates and there was a rather good reason for Steele to go into hiding, Skripal on the other hand had already severed jail time in Russia and had been handed over to the UK.
The link was Pablo Miller, Skripal's handler. Miller was listed as a consultant with Steele's Orbis Business Intelligence company. His name was deleted from Orbis' Linkedin page, and Miller's Linkedin profile was also deleted in the days after 4th March. Reporters such as Luke Harding from The Guardian stated that "sources" had told him there was no link, but failed to explain why the information had suddenly been deleted. A DSMA Notice reminder was then sent out, as reported by Alex Thomson of Channel 4, reminding media to basically not talk about spy handlers (such as Pablo Miller).
well that is comically bad - what is an MI6 "special agent" FFS?
I thought this Pablo character was supposed to work for Orbis?
Maybe Skripal did some work for Orbis, maybe he didn't - you haven't provided anything to substantiate that yet. But what do you even mean by "handler" in this context?
Quite reasonable for some former intelligence person to be worried about PERSEC though and take down their linkedin when attention might be focussed on them.
Possibly, so what?
Rather convoluted and with no basis other than your own imagination, the rather more realistic explanation is simply that there wasn't a very high perceived threat to him. Of course he's in hiding now though, rather obvious too why that would be the case.
Eh some of my family have done exactly that (aside from the booking through a Russian travel agent).
Confirmation that Stonehenge was closed both days:
Not that it proves they aren't omitting a possible alternate motive for going to Salisbury - if their cover was "tourists" then their movements would have to reflect that. But the stuff about the weather does jive. i.e. Rejecting their story cannot rightly be partly based on disbelieving them about the weather.
No matter the actual reason for them being in Salisbury, the two seem very confident that they didn't walk up to Skripal's front door, because for them to make this public appearance they'd have to be sure the authorities weren't keeping an ace up their sleeve in the form of CCTV images showing that. And I maintain that the very possibility of that would have prevented them from doing that in broad daylight in the first place. Skripal's friend Ross Cassidy is of the same mind when it comes to this.
Not that it proves they aren't omitting a possible alternate motive for going to Salisbury - if their cover was "tourists" then their movements would have to reflect that. But the stuff about the weather does jive. i.e. Rejecting their story cannot rightly be partly based on disbelieving them about the weather.
No matter the actual reason for them being in Salisbury, the two seem very confident that they didn't walk up to Skripal's front door, because for them to make this public appearance they'd have to be sure the authorities weren't keeping an ace up their sleeve in the form of CCTV images showing that. And I maintain that the very possibility of that would have prevented them from doing that in broad daylight in the first place. Skripal's friend Ross Cassidy is of the same mind when it comes to this.
What's your problem? Go back to sleep.
Ok.
Can anyone decipher this for me please, and what it has to do with stonehenge
Umm, what? That's everything we're ******* talking about!
Oh, that's ok then, they seem very confident....have you actually watched the interview...do you even body language Bro?
That's just circular logic based on an initial false premise and then huge assumptions that are just taken as the only plausible scenario. They know there are no photos of them at the door because none have been released, whereas photos of every other step of their journey has, if they had the money shot it would have been released, no reason not to.
And so what, even if there were photos of them at the door, they would just say they were looking for directions to the world famous 123 metre tall spire of Salisbury Cathedral, but no one answered at that house....so they went home.
It's really not that hard to comprehend. Some have been expressing their skepticism at them making two trips to Salisbury and not actually going to Stonehenge as they said they wanted to. Confirmation that Stonehenge was closed on both days means this cannot rightly be used as an argument. See following for example of this:
"REALLY? Novichok suspects insist they wanted to see Stonehenge - but left because of MUD" -
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1016947/Russia-news-novichok-russia-today-salisbury-latest
Oh, that's ok then, they seem very confident....have you actually watched the interview...do you even body language Bro?
They look really nervous in the interview, for many reasons I imagine. Point is they'd never have done the interview, nor would Putin/GU/FSB have greenlighted it, if they'd walked to Skripal's front door.
This is wrong. Neil Basu confirmed last week there is plenty of other footage of them, and only a few images have been released. The concern that Basu was holding the money shot back for a later stage will have been considered.
So we have no evidence of them actually going to Skripal's house, and no evidence of nerve agent at the hotel, because a "couple of swabs got rid of it". No hazmat suits needed or anything. Right.
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I would love it is Russia took the **** by releasing some really badly photoshopped holiday pics. Selfies from the catherdra sorta thing, but done so so badly
My bet, is that Putin predicted that our security services would eventually piece together the evidence and CCTV images of the hitmen would be revealed, which is probably why it was done in broad daylight. I also bet that this was done entirely on purpose to make it look exactly like this has been committed by Russia. It propagates the narrative that we've all come to know - "Mess with the Russian government and we will get you, nobody can protect you" it sends a clear message, they're known for sending to anyone who defies them. Making it look like death by natural causes does nothing, poison by a Russian nerve agent makes it obvious.
If I was Putin - I'd want to cause as much upset as possible, to get as much attention as possible - let the message get spread far and wide, and he knows that our western media outlets go absolutely crackers over things like this - he's pulling the strings, and has done from the start.
Even when it is proven beyond all reasonable doubt, the shills will just peddle the line "it's deflection tactics to distract the sheeple from the fact our government is invading Iran/raising bedroom tax/pillaging poor people/*insert any other preposterous allegation here*".
Case in point, see Corbyn and antisemitism headlines.
@Danny75 for example.
I think this whole tourist narrative has been a massive own goal for Russia, even I don't believe it.
It's funny though that every time there is some pressure on May over Brexit the Salisbury thing blows up in the media due to some new information, someone is playing the media like a fiddle.
It's funny though that every time there is some pressure on May over Brexit the Salisbury thing blows up in the media due to some new information, someone is playing the media like a fiddle.
Only guy in here that gets it^