Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Ergates said:
I'm not advocating murder, but if MI6 where to... help them on their way, nobody would ever believe it wasn't the Russians cleaning house. Probably even most Russians.
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Doesn't really gain much aside from maybe result in a bit of tit for tat and maybe a few more intelligence officers or the likes winding up dead on either side. More effective to find something that is a thorn in their side and apply pressure a little more subtly.
 
Ergates said:
I'm not advocating murder, but if MI6 where to... help them on their way, nobody would ever believe it wasn't the Russians cleaning house. Probably even most Russians.
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Has this whole scenario not taught you how much a major balls up needlessly killing forgien intelligence agents can become?
 
Tefal said:
Has this whole scenario not taught you how much a major balls up needlessly killing forgien intelligence agents can become?
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Like I said, I'm not saying we should. I'm saying that if these guys meet with an "accident", or actually somehow both died in an real accident, nobody will ever believe it wasn't the Russians.

Basically, if either of these men die under *any* circumstances in the next few years, then the GRU are getting the blame.
 
Tefal said:
I dont think they intended anyone to know who did it simply he die the investigation finds novicheck its released to the press but with no real evidence other than swab samples and that's it.
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If the agents hadn't screwed up the Novichok would never have been discovered, he would have died alone and any trace/indication would be gone before his body was discovered and ruled a natural/indeterminate cause of death.

In fact even after things went badly wrong and we discovered that something very dodgy had happened to him it was only a pure fluke coincidence that even saw the Novichok link discovered (two of the people investigating it talking openly about how perplexing it was, in a common area and getting overheard by one of only a handful of people in the country that would have understood what they were describing).
 
Aye, it could have been something as simple as the dose being shared between both Skripal’s that saved their lives as well, rather than him receiving the expected full dose over time because they assumed he would always be alone at home.
 
Jokester said:
Aye, it could have been something as simple as the dose being shared between both Skripal’s that saved their lives as well, rather than him receiving the expected full dose over time because they assumed he would always be alone at home.
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That doesn’t really make sense, the first person to touch that door out of the pair of them would get the same dose as they’d have gotten had there just been one. In fact it is quite possible only one of them did touch the door handle and the other then got contaminated from the first.
 
dowie said:
That doesn’t really make sense, the first person to touch that door out of the pair of them would get the same dose as they’d have gotten had there just been one. In fact it is quite possible only one of them did touch the door handle and the other then got contaminated from the first.
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Depends if the intention was whether it was a single dose from touching the door handle or repeated doses from touching the handle.
 
Jokester said:
Depends if the intention was whether it was a single dose from touching the door handle or repeated doses from touching the handle.
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Given how quickly it acts and that someone could well be out if the house all day etc... it seems rather likely that they just need to make contact with it once.
 
ubersonic said:
If the agents hadn't screwed up the Novichok would never have been discovered, he would have died alone and any trace/indication would be gone before his body was discovered and ruled a natural/indeterminate cause of death.

In fact even after things went badly wrong and we discovered that something very dodgy had happened to him it was only a pure fluke coincidence that even saw the Novichok link discovered (two of the people investigating it talking openly about how perplexing it was, in a common area and getting overheard by one of only a handful of people in the country that would have understood what they were describing).
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Of course it would have been found.

Former healthy Russian spy dies randomly, GRU know every single surface nook and cranny and every part of the body is getting swabbed tested and examined.

After all its hardly some miracle vanishing chemical when its still being found weeks later.


Yeah the "amazing coincidence" story kinda seems more like "let's not let everyone know we can actually test for this stufd".
 
Tefal said:
Of course it would have been found.
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No it wouldn't, that was (presumably) the entire point of using something that would appear natural/undeterminable and leave no trace (at least by the time anyone might possibly look for a trace). It was only found due to the incompetence of the GRU officers and back luck (on their part).


Tefal said:
After all its hardly some miracle vanishing chemical
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It is, had they not been discovered so quickly and the alarm not raised so fast it would have been gone before anyone ever thought to look (which is unlikely anyway for a death that doesn't immediately appear suspicious). The only reason it turned up again weeks later when the junkies found it was because it was sealed in an airtight container.
 
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Ergates said:
I'm not advocating murder, but if MI6 where to... help them on their way, nobody would ever believe it wasn't the Russians cleaning house. Probably even most Russians.
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Would be better if MI6 schooled the Russians in covert actions, and the next time these two are seen is when they're being dragged off a prison van and into the Old Bailey.
 
doodah said:
Never knew been poisoned counts as a long term illness.
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Do you have reliably dated documents showing that they were ill in the past?

1) Poison them.
2) Say they had been ill for an unspecified amount of time with an unspecified disease.

If anyone does ask questions, there are fatal diseases that a person can conceal until close to death.

I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying that it's not as impossible as you're suggesting.
 
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