Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.

Diddums said:
I'd love to know how this whole saga has affected Salisbury, I reckon tourism must be up a bit.
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Salisbury is my home town - parents still live in the area. It's been hit really hard - there are real concerns that it'll never fully recover.

Kind of understandable really - the kind of tourists who visit Salisbury (it's a historical town) aren't really the type who are looking for a potential brush with Russian nerve agents.
 
Ergates said:
Salisbury is my home town - parents still live in the area. It's been hit really hard - there are real concerns that it'll never fully recover.

Kind of understandable really - the kind of tourists who visit Salisbury (it's a historical town) aren't really the type who are looking for a potential brush with Russian nerve agents.
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Such a shame, Russia needs to be held accountable for this but naturally nothing will happen because our country is run by a bumch of chickenshits.
 
I think Putin's intention here (for using novichok) is pretty simple. It's to make an example of the intended victims whilst also causing a lot of news. Those bits worked. Everybody on the planet will know it happened.

What he didn't account for is the GRU being a bit crap and the assassins being outed. I'd imagine next time it won't be so easy.
 
Tefal said:
If it's not about sending a message why use such a unique poison.

I dont think they intended anyone to know who did it simply he die the investigation finds novicheck its released to the press but with no real evidence other than swab samples and that's it.

Russia's message is out while Russia simply claims its a cover up or a framing by the British
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Most likely they thought a small dose would be un-detectable and it would look like natural causes. Clearly they didn't care about it spreading and killing random people though.

They may have used it in the past in other countries and got away with it.
 
200sols said:
How should we hold them accountable? Invade?
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We already are holding them accountable to some extent, perhaps he's not kept up to date with the news re: the expulsion of Russian diplomats from the UK and allies and the public statement that other measurers they'll not be making public will be taken too. The releasing of evidence showing it was clearly Russia, complete with passport photos etc.. and the resulting farcical/embarrassing TV interview with the two "tourists" was a great win for the UK too...

Now both their identities are exposed, hilariously seemingly half a town knew the second guy was a spy after his proud Grandmother showed them a photo of him with Putin.

There is also the knock on effect/exposure of the various other GRU personnel recently.

Unless you're a bit crazy and are advocating starting WW3 then it is a bit silly to assume that nothing has been done. News reports seem to indicate that Putin is furious about the whole mess and that senior GRU personnel are getting a lot of grief over it.
 
200sols said:
How should we hold them accountable? Invade?
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It will all be economic stuff. The UK/EU/US can do damage to Russia's economy which they can't do back, because we don't invest in Russia. Their economy will slowly crumble and they will eventually have to decide between weapons or food. Which is how the USSR was brought down.
 
Nasher said:
It will all be economic stuff. The UK/EU/US can do damage to Russia's economy which they can't do back, because we don't invest in Russia. Their economy will slowly crumble and they will eventually have to decide between weapons or food. Which is how the USSR was brought down.
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Haha yeah economically attack Russia just before winter...I'm sure that won't lead to some gas supply problems for europe
 
Nasher said:
It will all be economic stuff. The UK/EU/US can do damage to Russia's economy which they can't do back, because we don't invest in Russia.
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Except for Rees-Mogg who has at least £60m invested in Russia.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...criticised-over-firms-russian-bank-investment
Jacob Rees-Mogg was accused by Labour of “letting the side down” because his fund management firm profits from a £60m investment in a Russian bank that has been the target of European Union sanctions since 2014.

The criticism came after Somerset Capital Management (SCM) confirmed that it runs an emerging markets fund that holds a stake worth around £60m in Russia’s largest bank, Sberbank.

The arch-Brexiter is a partner in SCM and normally earns £14,500 a month for 30 hours’ work there. Owning shares in a sanctions-restricted Russian bank is legal but surprising given Rees-Mogg last week called on Theresa May to hurt Russia by introducing tougher economic sanctions against the country in the wake of the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal.

Referring to Vladimir Putin’s Russia, Rees-Mogg told May in the Commons last week that “tyrants need to be stood up to” and added: “I encourage her to impose a freeze on assets, so that people do not have the opportunity of taking them out of the country in the short term.”
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