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Did you forget the Soviet-Afghan war that lasted 10 years ? or the Chechen wars.
You seem very unwilling to give particulars
Former Russian double agent seriously ill in Salisbury.
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Did you forget the Soviet-Afghan war that lasted 10 years ? or the Chechen wars.
You seem very unwilling to give particulars
forgot to reply to this one, it is a funny one, yes they frequently denounce drone strikes in public, that is often for domestic consumption:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1864c9017c38
WW2 was happily a chemical free affair on the battlefield.
There were (literal) tons of chemical weapons on the battlefield, they just never got intentionally* used as both sides were holding onto them for retaliatory use.
There is a certain unsettledness to the fact that we had bombers loaded with chemical weapons ready to strike German cities in response if they used chemical weapons to stop the D-Day landings, yet we had been planning to do exactly the same to them in response to the planned Operation Sea Lion landings.
*There was one incident in Italy where the Luftwaffe destroyed an American ship in port which was carrying chemical weapons to be used in response if Germany used chemical weapons, this was the only military incident of civilians being killed by chemical weapons in the European theatre IIRC.
Russia:
* invasion and occupation of Chechyna, resulting in a 233 year war (still ongoing)
* invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, resulting in a 10 year war
* invasion and occupation of Poland
* invasion and occupation of Latvia
* invasion and occupation of Lithuania
* invasion and occupation of Estonia
* invasion and occupation of Czechoslovakia
* invasion and occupation of Hungary
* invasion and occupation of Slovakia
* invasion and occupation of Central Asia
* invasion of France
* invasion of Germany
* invasion of Mongolia
* invasion of Sweden
* invasion of Finland
* invasion of Georgia
* invasion of Azerbaijan
* invasion of Armenia
* invasion of Belarus
* invasion of China
* invasion of Turkey
* invasion of Romania
* invasion of Iran
* invasion of Austria
* invasion of South Ossetia
* invasion of Ukraine
* annexation of Crimea
This list is not exhaustive.
Under the USSR
Under the USSR
Under the imminent threat of Georgian forces going in to massacre Ossetian and others that were backed by CIA. I encourage you to look up the CNN interview that was cut off when a little girl and her family were praising Russian soldiers for protecting them when the narrative trying to be pushed did not go to plan. There are also plenty of articles that stipulate the CIA planned out the Georgian offensive. Instead the Russians must have intelligence what was going on and went in to protect the people (mostly ethnic Russians).
When was this?
As above with Georgia.
Disputed really. Lets just ignore that the Ukraine situation was all started by the US in the first place as per the leaked recording. Poroshenko is also a puppet.
Crimea voted in a free election. The people have the right to self determination. They chose overwhelmingly to rejoin Russia. I support populations in the principle to define and decide their own destiny.
I bet the US list is longer :roll eyes:
To be fair if they've been "occupying" it for over two centuries then I think it's fair to say it's theirs.
Technically speaking they were supporting the recognised/legitimate government against US backed insurgents, but hey they lost quicker than the US coalition did haha.
Done by the USSR back in WW2, or prior to WW2 IIRC /shrug.
That was Georgia, Russia liberated South Ossetia.
Yay, you finally got two lol.
Or accurate apparently
During the existence of the USSR, Russia was indistinguishable from the USSR. Not one of the satellite states would have been allowed to operate independantly or without tacit approval of Russia. Therefore your attempts to exonerate Russia by implying that it was a different entity in the past are without basis. All that has been done is that the borders of its influence have contracted a bit. Its aims are unchanged unfortunately.
Yup, South Ossetia hasn't belonged to Georgia in well over a century, after the fall of the USSR it became an independent state (although Georgia made claims of ownership), in 2008 Georgia invaded South Ossetia in an attempt to annex it and Russia responded by liberating it and slapping the **** out of Georgia so it wouldn't try it again (parallels have been drawn to the 1990 invasion of Kuwait by Iraq and subsequent liberation by the US coalition).
You are correct in stating that most countries officially recognise Georgia's claim to the region, but it's mostly political, they aren't really backing Georgia's ambitions just opposing whatever Russia backs.
True however the USSR dissolved in 1991, the Russian Federation is not the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. Applying examples of stuff the USSR did to modern day Russia is like saying we shouldn't trust the EU in Brexit negotiations because of stuff France did under Napoleon or stuff the Third Reich did. The Napoleonic wars being a great example of why current events should be judged against current events, as it's not like we're going to ally with Russia against France and the USA right now.
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While true, the entity that operated and curated it is now gone. Plus, most of the invasions mentioned occurred during WW2 when Stalin was running the ship in the great European land grab that followed the defeat of the Nazis.
Just for the record I don't agree with any of the invasions but can recognize the flaw in Evans argument.
You know an argument works better if you don't prattle off something because it simply "fits" your biased view, literally the only infraction Russia has done recently was Ukraine and Georgia (who the hell knows what actually happened, it's irrelevant).
Should we go back to the boer wars and the concentration camps Britain set up for their children and wives, then say the current administration is at fault?
Mayhaps all relatives of European colonials should return home for having the audacity of being born.
There's a fascinatingly dumb streak of leftist ideology going about lately, i hope it eats itself in its clearly unsustainable adventure to blame the children of men who did things centuries ago.
Should we go back to the boer wars and the concentration camps Britain set up for their children and wives, then say the current administration is at fault?
Mayhaps all relatives of European colonials should return home for having the audacity of being born.
There's a fascinatingly dumb streak of leftist ideology going about lately, i hope it eats itself in its clearly unsustainable adventure to blame the children of men who did things centuries ago.
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That is a little different to Russia and today where its run and headed by ex USSR KGB
And Mr Putin knows the USSR cannot ever re-exist, he'd be a fool to think it was worthy of emulation (plenty of those recently, so maybe he is). All he wants is revenge with as much clout as possible that,
A: doesn't get him arrested.
B: doesn't get him killed.
C: makes him lots of money.
D: embarrassing the West as much as possible as they use pitiful measures.
I suspect he's gotten bored, is getting old and just wants a punch up in his lifetime cause it almost certainly wont be his loss.
I can't wait to see your evidence of how you might possibly know what's in his head...
Historical context implies that your previous enemy is your future enemy and your most annoying neighbor is also your enemy, the US has hundreds of military installations around Russia. Since he can't really blame the excess of the USSR's latter days, he only has one option, it probably isn't an emotionally charge revenge though, just convenient.
The old hypothetical book of "How to country" is still rather simple.
Oh really? Would you say this about the Ottoman occupation of Greece and the Balkans, which lasted for nearly 400 years?
No they weren't. They invaded Afghanistan, toppled the existing government, and imposed a Soviet-backed puppet government which oppressed the Afghans. They then propped up this puppet government with Soviet military forces.
So what?
No, Russia illegally annexed South Ossetia, just like she illegally annexed Crimea.
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And yet we did nothing.
Most? A vast vast majority. In fact I think there's only something like 5 others that recognise Russia's claim. When pretty much the whole world tells you you're in the wrong, I think you're in the wrong.