Fowler Vs Anelka

Originally posted by Gilly
We're talking about premiership players, and Fowler is one of the best strikers to have ever played in the Prem.
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come on dude be realistic.

when fowler was at his best (about 5 yrs ago?), he was scoring around 21-24 premiership goals/season. at the same time, shearer was scoring 30+ goals/season.

when the best striker in the premiership at the time (shearer) is scoring 30% more goals than fowler, u cant honestly say fowler is that good, can you?

also dont forget fowler is very injury prone. so he wont play more than say 10 games/season. no point in spending money on a player knowing he wont play many games.

fowler or anelka: anelka, simply cuz anelka can play more than 10 league games/season. when fowler is fit though, i think its close.
 
Originally posted by sunama
come on dude be realistic.

when fowler was at his best (about 5 yrs ago?), he was scoring around 21-24 premiership goals/season. at the same time, shearer was scoring 30+ goals/season.

when the best striker in the premiership at the time (shearer) is scoring 30% more goals than fowler, u cant honestly say fowler is that good, can you?

also dont forget fowler is very injury prone. so he wont play more than say 10 games/season. no point in spending money on a player knowing he wont play many games.

fowler or anelka: anelka, simply cuz anelka can play more than 10 league games/season. when fowler is fit though, i think its close.
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Fowler 94-95 31 goals. goal every 1.84 games (thats better than Henry)
95-96- 34 goals goal every 1.18 games (thats better than Henry AND Ruud van Nistelrooy)
96-97 league top scorer 31 goals, goal every 1.42 games (better than Henry, same as Ruud van Nistelrooy)
97-98 (injured, the owen love in begins at liverpool of how stupid Hollier must feel now) still got 13 in 28 games (goal every 2.18, which incidently is still better than anelka).
98-99 18 goals (goal every 1.89 games)
and in those figures, hes never played less than 28 games a season.
And just for all you Anelka fans, EVEN WHEN HE WAS AT THE ARSE-A-NAL he only got 18 goals in FORTY FIVE APPEARENCES.!!
That is a goal every 2.5 games.
Like ive been saying the guy isnt fit to lick Fowlers boots, he cant even get a goal every 2 games for gods sake, in fact that was the 98-99 season, where robbie got 18 goals, but he did it in 20 games less....................
and ill add this, throughout that time, shearer only beat fowler as seasons top scorer by no more than, 2 goals at any point other than when fowler was injured.
That isnt 30% either.
 
dude are u sure the 'fowler' stats are talking about league goals only? or goals in all comps?

cuz if i remember correctly, shearer was no.1 for 4 seasons in a row, and before that cole was no.1. (so this covers 5 seasons in total). the season after shearer was last no.1, owen finished joint top scorer with 19 goals (along with d.dublin and gallagher).

and wasnt k.phillips the only guy, since cole and shearer to score 30 or more premiership goals in one season?

at no stage was fowler the top goals scorer of league goals in his career. or thats what i thought....

can anyone find the stats of the amount of league goals fowler has scored per season? clear this up once and for all cuz im quite interested why people rate this guy so much.

edit: just found that in his second season he scored 31 goals in 57 apps. these were not league goals though. when i say top goal scorer i mean league goals, not cup goals (which include games against 2nd/3rd division teams....league is what its about, and that is what shearer was scoring 30+ goals/season in, while fowler was in the low 20s).
 
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The real goal stats, as requested.

94-95, Fowler scored 25 league goals, 31 in total, in 57 games. A ratio of 1.84. Shearer scored 37 in 49 (34 in league), a ratio of 1.32.

95-96, Fowler scored 28 league goals, 34 in total, in 47 games. A ratio of 1.38. Shearer scored 36 in 41 (31 in league), a ratio of 1.14.

96-97, Fowler scored 18 league goals, 31 in total, in 44 games. A ratio of 1.42. Shearer scored 28 in 39 (25 in league), a ratio of 1.39.

97-98, Fowler scored 9 league goals, 13 in total, in 28 games. A ratio of 2.15. No stats for Shearer, I think he was injured all/most of the season.

98-99, Fowler scored 14 league goals, 18 in total, in 34 games. A ratio of 1.89. Shearer scored 21 in 39 (14 in league), a ratio of 1.86.

So you can see from these stats that Fowler has NEVER been the league's top scorer. He was joint top in 96-97 when he equalled Ravenelli, but that was goals in all comps.

Stats are from http://www.soccer-stats.com/divisions/all_top_scorers.asp?divno=1&asid=96
 
Originally posted by Jazz
it only has league goals from 1996/1997 onwards though :(

i think some of the numbers are wrong though, last yr shearer had 23 goals and on that site they say he has 24 :/

http://www.4thegame.com/archive/
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It has league goals from the start of the prem Jazz, 92-93 onwards. I only copied the stuff relating to Fowler/Shearer in the years atpbx mentioned :)
 
yep i was just doing the research myself but you beat me to it.

shearer scored 2 goals in 97/98.

in general, for both players, the golden yrs were 93/94 - 96/97.

adding up all the goals they scored in these years we get

fowler: 12+25+28+18=83 goals
shearer: 31+34+31+25= 121 goals

in these years, shearer scored 45.7% more goals than fowler.

note: these were fowler's most prolific years when many people thought highly of him. shearer (arguably the best striker on the planet at the time), scored 46% more goals than fowler. i really dont believe that one of the best stikers in his time can be outscored by such a large margin (46%). i agree that comparing any striker to shearer is gonna make that striker look bad, but by 46%? Thats TOO big a margin, to say Fowler is even in the same class as Shearer.

if henry scored 46% more goals than RVN would people even mention them in the same breath?

imo, fowler really isnt THAT good, and i still dont understand why people rate him so highly.

i do agree that anelka didnt score that many goals while he was at arsenal, however, to me, anelka looks likely to score more goals than fowler at the current time.
 
Originally posted by Davey_Pitch
It has league goals from the start of the prem Jazz, 92-93 onwards. I only copied the stuff relating to Fowler/Shearer in the years atpbx mentioned :)
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i hadnt seen ur post when i posted my reply and was refering to the link i had given, sorry for the confusion :p
 
Originally posted by sunama
note: these were fowler's most prolific years when many people thought highly of him. shearer (arguably the best striker on the planet at the time), scored 46% more goals than fowler. i really dont believe that one of the best stikers in his time can be outscored by such a large margin (46%). i agree that comparing any striker to shearer is gonna make that striker look bad, but by 46%? Thats TOO big a margin, to say Fowler is even in the same class as Shearer.

if henry scored 46% more goals than RVN would people even mention them in the same breath?

imo, fowler really isnt THAT good, and i still dont understand why people rate him so highly.

i do agree that anelka didnt score that many goals while he was at arsenal, however, to me, anelka looks likely to score more goals than fowler at the current time.
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Actually, I think that with the exception of Shearer, Fowler is the best and most natural striker England has produced for a good number of years. Yes he has been outscored by Shearer, but by far less a margin that most other players in that time. Shearer was truly world class during that time.

And if both players were fully fit, I'd rather have Fowler than Anelka, has more to his game IMHO.
 
Originally posted by Davey_Pitch
The real goal stats, as requested.

94-95, Fowler scored 25 league goals, 31 in total, in 57 games. A ratio of 1.84. Shearer scored 37 in 49 (34 in league), a ratio of 1.32.

95-96, Fowler scored 28 league goals, 34 in total, in 47 games. A ratio of 1.38. Shearer scored 36 in 41 (31 in league), a ratio of 1.14.

96-97, Fowler scored 18 league goals, 31 in total, in 44 games. A ratio of 1.42. Shearer scored 28 in 39 (25 in league), a ratio of 1.39.

97-98, Fowler scored 9 league goals, 13 in total, in 28 games. A ratio of 2.15. No stats for Shearer, I think he was injured all/most of the season.

98-99, Fowler scored 14 league goals, 18 in total, in 34 games. A ratio of 1.89. Shearer scored 21 in 39 (14 in league), a ratio of 1.86.

So you can see from these stats that Fowler has NEVER been the league's top scorer. He was joint top in 96-97 when he equalled Ravenelli, but that was goals in all comps.

Stats are from http://www.soccer-stats.com/divisions/all_top_scorers.asp?divno=1&asid=96
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All goals in all competitions count dont they? other wise why do people gloat about results in the FA cup and champions league??
I rest my case, Fowler statistically is better than than Anelka, and if we are talking amount of games played per amount of goals scored, in actuall fact, with no argument, fowler is better than anelka.
Putting down the exact same facts i put down and then saying what ive put down is wrong is arguing which point?
 
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I cant see the point in posting stats, as they are not really relevent to the current situation.

Fowler was class, but has suffred both knee, ankle and hip injuries that have robbed him of the only yard of pace he had. Defenders also became quicker during his lay-off, and so now he only seems half the player he was. That said, he still has the most natural touch and is probably the best finisher in the premiership.

Anelka, on the other hand, is quick strong and young - but liable to disappear in games. I wouldn`t mind seeing the pair feed off each other in the same team though.
 
I think Fowler is washed up, he's just not prolific enough. Anelka is scoring and I suspect would score a lot more in a quality team.

The RvN - Henry debate is worthless, particularly since big Al is the top gun in the Premiership still.:p
 
Where did I say that Fowler was better than Shearer?

Didn't I say 'We're talking about premiership players, and Fowler is one of the best strikers to have ever played in the Prem.'?

You guys compared him to THE best in Shearer and proved my point for me :)

Thanks

Oh, and Anelka has a long way to go before he can be considered the class of Shearer and Fowler et al
 
the problem is that fowler always seems to be injured, and always seems to be coming back from injury. u dont have that problem with anelka.

on the argument of league goals vs cup goals.
in cup games, you can play against a division 3 side, and score a hat full of goals (while another striker might be up against a top side - and score none, as a result). also if u get far in a cup competition then u play more games than the other strikers, hence giving u more opportunity to score. by using league goals ONLY, u make sure that when comparing 2 players/strikers, that both have played exactly the same teams, and have played a similar amount of games. this is why i prefer to talk about league goals and not to include cup goals. but i guess its upto the statistician how he wants to interpret the results.

i still dont understand why fowler is so highly rated: outscored by shearer by 46% (a huge margin) in his prime. and since then fowler has struggled to break the 10/season barrier (i think he scored 3 goals last season, 8 before that and 3 before that: 14 goals in 3 season).

moreover, he seems unable to make the first team of whichever team he plays for these days (leeds or liverpool), which says a lot. while anelka during his spell at liverpool was playing first team football, and is again getting first team football this season. thus, his manager(s) (houllier or venables) don't seem to have much faith in him. and they know him/his ability a lot better than any of us lot...

the only problem i see with anelka is his moodiness...this cannot be a good thing for team spirit.
 
Good job we have the OcUK Yahoo Fantasy football league to settle this.

Those who think Fowler will get you lots of points, pick him for your team.

Those who prefer Anelka, or Henry / RVN / Owen do likewise.

By taking top of the league and staying top, I know how much Anelka has consistently put in great performances in this season to date.
 
Originally posted by siztenboots
Good job we have the OcUK Yahoo Fantasy football league to settle this.

Those who think Fowler will get you lots of points, pick him for your team.

Those who prefer Anelka, or Henry / RVN / Owen do likewise.

By taking top of the league and staying top, I know how much Anelka has consistently put in great performances in this season to date.
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Yeah, and Beattie will be top points. Does that make him the best?

No.
 
Originally posted by Jazz
fowler is similar to rvn they both score a lot of tap ins
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Yep, that is a part of Fowler's game, but he also scores good goals (hat-trick against Bolton, Hat-Trick against Leicester spring to mind. All good goals)
 
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