Poll: French Grand Prix 2021, Paul Ricard - Race 7/23
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Norris and Gasly was 'no investigation necessary' I think
Soldato
He was behind Dani Rico on poles too previously. Qualifying it seems isn't his strongest point.
Even before the last race which he won, Perez had out formed Gasly and Albon on points.
Vettel and Alonso also comfortably beat their teammates again, and leading them nicely in the championship, despite their initially poor starts to the season. Similarly Dani Ric was looking better this race too. Seems they are starting to get the hang of their new cars/teams now.
Sure. Obvious choice is obvious. 7 time world champion, challenging hard for a record-breaking 8th. Absolutely yes he should retireYes, Lewis should retire and make way for a younger driver
lol these comments...
I think Perez is slightly better driver than Albon with experience & consistency, similar pace, but have to take into account when comparing on points that this years Red Bull is much more competitive.
Caporegime
Quite. I think Max is something special - but he still needs to prove it. I really hope Ferrari can give Leclerc a decent car in the coming years, and that Mercedes is still good when Russell gets his seat there. For me, those three have the makings of being the greatest driver of their generation, but time will tell which - if any - of them actually has what it takes to carve out their legend in the sport.
Caporegime
True, but Pérez is also closer to Max on pace. It took him a few races to get there - Imola quali aside - but he's now about where you'd expect the second driver to a teammate like Max to be. Albon never managed that.
Everybody always gets over-excited about young drivers that win a few races. It's essentially looking into the future, into a crystal ball and going "gosh look how good he is now, imagine what he'll be in 5 years time when he's won 5 championships". Conveniently forgetting that he may entirely lose his edge, have a crap car for 3 seasons, or something else. It's all hype.
Soldato
Well what more do you want Max to do? He's never had a title winning car but you want to down play his ability because of it? Bizarre. He's clearly one of the very best drivers on the grid. He's destroyed his team mates year after year. He's clearly exceptional.
Caporegime
The only time we've seen him up against a decent-ish driver, Dani beat him two seasons on the trot.
It’s clear to me anyway that he’s improved since then and managed to reduce the mistakes too. I’d certainly have him in my top three drivers right now.
Caporegime
Yeah, he's improved a lot. I think he's second best right now, but I also think it's too early to really judge him against the others of his generation. Leclerc's second season was stunning but he needs to learn to manage his tyres better, and I think Russell will prove to the best of the three but until he gets a regular drive in a car which isn't a potato, how can we tell? Whatever happens, I think we're looking at an extremely exciting crop of young drivers both in F1 right now, and waiting in the wings for the coming years.
Well for starters he could win at least one championship right? My horror was that Paul Di Resta seemed to be calling him one of the best ever ! I don't doubt Max's ability but he is very far from proving he's equal to Lewis. Logically he'll need minimum eight years to do that right?
Soldato
No because you're confusing having the best car with being the best driver. This is formula 1, if you don't have a title capable car then it doesn't matter how good you are you'll never be world champion. Doesn't mean you're not one of the very best drivers like Max has consistently shown the last few years.
He has a lot of praise because he has earned it for his exceptional talent.
And if he doesn't win this year is it because of his "exceptional talent"? Or are we still saying he's the best driver, just in a slower car? Just want to make sure I know the party line. Thanks 
Of course I know you need the fastest car to win. Perhaps a lot of talent in F1 is getting yourself into the best team, at the right team? Something Lewis has done very well, especially the switch to Mercedes. That stuff isn't luck.
Of course I know you need the fastest car to win. Perhaps a lot of talent in F1 is getting yourself into the best team, at the right team? Something Lewis has done very well, especially the switch to Mercedes. That stuff isn't luck.
Soldato
And if he doesn't win this year is it because of his "exceptional talent"? Or are we still saying he's the best driver, just in a slower car? Just want to make sure I know the party line. Thanks
Of course I know you need the fastest car to win. Perhaps a lot of talent in F1 is getting yourself into the best team, at the right team? Something Lewis has done very well, especially the switch to Mercedes. That stuff isn't luck.
You're talking a load of rubbish. You think being in a faster car means you are a better driver or if you haven't won a world championship then you can't be up there labelled as one of the best drivers. Completely deluded and the Lewis bias is obvious.
Yeah, I can't wait to see George, Lando, LeGlerg and Max in decent cars... TBH I'd love to see them in F2 together (same spec).. cos we know George beat Lando but Max skipped F2 and LeClerc was pretty incredible in F2
Caporegime
It wasn't that long ago that Max earned himself the "Crashstappen" tag. He crashed so much that he threatened to headbutt the next journalist that asked him about it, people made "has Max crashed yet" websites about him, and he threw away good results with stupid mistakes like tangling with Ocon. I'd say he's got better since then, but it's only really last season and this that he's really got it together. We'll see how he holds that up across a season where he's got the chance at a championship.
So have dozens of drivers over the years; most of them don't go on to become "one of the best ever". Has Max shown he's a good driver? Yes. Has he shown he's "one of the best ever"? Not even close to it.
Associate
LeClerc was fantastic in F2. I remember going to Silverstone 2/3 years on the bounce (can't remember exactly) and watching him absolutely blast his way to wins/podiums, even in the reverse grid races.