Fuel price discussion thread (was ‘chaos’)

jaybee said:
So the people that can afford to buy a shiny new EV or lease one at high cost, get to save on electric costs for it too. Wow.
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Doesn't need to be a new expensive EV. I paid £8500 for a Nissan Leaf with 90% battery health and only 30,000 miles on the clock back in September.

I am already saving over £1000 a year VS my old 1.4 Nissan Note. I was putting in 60 litres of petrol a month which would cost about £92 at today's petrol prices. For £92 in electric, I can drive 7360 miles in the Leaf!!! And that is not taking into account all the free charges I get at Tesco. I probably get about 10 miles a week free charging there. So if you add the 40 miles a month free electric to the total, I am getting 7840 miles over the course of a year for the price of 1 months petrol in my old econobox Nissan Note.

Not to mention not having to pay for Road Tax.
 
dLockers said:
It isn't "EV Specific", it is just designed for heavy consumption at points in the night. Most EVs can charge between certain times. Think of it as economy 7 on steroids.
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It is "EV Specific" now. Try to "research" things you don't know about before posting just because you like to appear in every thread. :D
 
Em3bbs said:
It is "EV Specific" now. Try to "research" things you don't know about before posting just because you like to appear in every thread. :D
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I did Google it, they don't ask for any proof of EV ownership :confused:

Someone mentioned being asked to verify a charge but that was about it.
 
dave1983 said:
How are people going to survive especially lower earners, Higher Energy Bills, More Tax on NI, and now Higher on Fuel. World has gone nuts
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In reality they won't. More people will fall below the poverty line, and have to choose between heating or eating.

With the increase in all other bills the government will need to come up with a serious package to stop people struggling along.
 
Haggisman said:
There are going to be a lot of already angry and anxious people around who aren't going to take kindly to something like that. Call me pessimistic if you will but I wouldn't be at all surprised if something were to kick off majorly. I get why they're doing it since right now it will have more impact, but I can see it as very much taking a spark to a tinderbox :(
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They're going to annoy the wrong people and get what's coming to them. I predict many broken bones and they fully deserve it, the parasitic cockroaches that they are.

Where were they all winter anyway? Bit of cold and they vanish. Seems their beliefs only apply in nice weather. Funny that.
 
Haggisman said:
The price of bicycles is somewhat irrelevant as it's not an ongoing cost.
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the point was people searching/migrating to other means of transport - covid apparently pushed up bicycle cost with peoples need for separation, and petrol prices will agan make them think.

yes extinction rebellions rich members will get short shrift from the masses if they protest resumption of fossil fuels - civil unrest in uk, a doubled edged sword for Putin; will we see fuel price protests like gilet jaunes.

Simon said:
Incentivised to use energy when demand is much lower. Thus reducing demand at peak times.
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have you asked yourself why octopus offer uniquely this 7.5(ne 5)pkw/h scheme ? I'm guessing the people taking it with the now obligatory proof of ev ownership,
have typically higher usage during the day (higher income) so that subsidises the night time unit cost - their usp
they could have been using night time energy to pump the water back into the hydro lakes - dinaweg etc.
 
Stop Inventing stuff or guessing. Demand is lower at night. Hence the 4h low unit rate to try and avoid people drawing 7kW in the day.

menu waste energy moving power (potential energy) when you can just use it at better times ? Think about what you are suggesting (for our none existant hydro power)
 
Simon said:
Stop Inventing stuff or guessing.
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so you haven't considered their business model ... there's an earlier discussion thread you can look at that discusses the economics of dinaweg hydro.
why are all the companies with smart meter not offering same option as octopus ?
 
jpaul said:
so you haven't considered their business model ... there's an earlier discussion thread you can look at that discusses the economics of dinaweg hydro.
why are all the companies with smart meter not offering same option as octopus ?
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Where in the U.K. do we have hydro to pump enough water up. The pumps take power. Why waste money moving it when u can sell energy at a more optimal time to minimise the cost to yourself (the supplier )

again when you understand fundamental physics you don’t need to rely of previous comments or google to make some sort of point (especially when a company has chosen a route which aligns)
 
I take it you’ve not seen or heard of Dinorwig (aka Electric Mountain) then Simon? They use water like people use a Tesla Powerwall to timeshift power usage. They essentially arbitrage between day and night wholesale power cost and have been doing that profitably for many years.
 
jpaul said:
the point was people searching/migrating to other means of transport - covid apparently pushed up bicycle cost with peoples need for separation, and petrol prices will agan make them think.

yes extinction rebellions rich members will get short shrift from the masses if they protest resumption of fossil fuels - civil unrest in uk, a doubled edged sword for Putin; will we see fuel price protests like gilet jaunes.


have you asked yourself why octopus offer uniquely this 7.5(ne 5)pkw/h scheme ? I'm guessing the people taking it with the now obligatory proof of ev ownership,
have typically higher usage during the day (higher income) so that subsidises the night time unit cost - their usp
they could have been using night time energy to pump the water back into the hydro lakes - dinaweg etc.
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The problem with the UK is that there are very few locations where something like Dinorwig can be built, unless you start creating man made lakes and reservoirs to hold the water, in which case you start destroying the landscape.

It also dates from a time where a very large chunk of the grid was supplied using coal fire power stations which couldn't be started quickly and during periods of potential high demand had to be run very inefficiently. Modern gas powered stations can be fired up very quickly so there isn't the same need for a rapid response hydro power station.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I’m not sure why EV drivers are feeling smug, even the cheapest EV tariffs have gone up 50% in the last year, admittedly from a much lower base cost per mile but it’s still gone up.
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At current fixed rate electricity prices, my hybrid at 150p/litre petrol prices works out cheaper per mile than a typical EV.
 
This government is going to have to cut duties on petrol/diesel or this is going to get ridiculous. People can't be expected to have massive rises in gas and electricity, general cost of living and fuel.
 
MagicBoy said:
At current fixed rate electricity prices, my hybrid at 150p/litre petrol prices works out cheaper per mile than a typical EV.
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No it doesn’t, as has been shown in this thread multiple times already.


Colonel_Klinck said:
This government is going to have to cut duties on petrol/diesel or this is going to get ridiculous. People can't be expected to have massive rises in gas and electricity, general cost of living and fuel.
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No chance.
 
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