Don't forget to factor in the cost of buying and maintaining your balaclava, the non-optional extra for having to drive a Leaf every day
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Don't forget to factor in the cost of buying and maintaining your balaclava, the non-optional extra for having to drive a Leaf every day
.Sunaks giving you a 200 quid loan in October, what more do you want.
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They might be rated at 60mpg on the NEDC cycle but not in the real world. That’s like saying my Tesla has a range of 300 miles. Both claims are literally laughed out the door in the real world.
A Golf GTD, probably the most relevant diesel ‘hot’ hatch reportedly gets 48mpg in the real world according to honest John.
Evos review of the 2014-2020 model says it drops to the mid 40s in the real world.
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gtd/page/0/4
If people keep paying then no they won’t. We’re sadly slaves of this government to put it fairly. We will all moan time and time again but do little about it, as we enjoy our lives too much and seem to think we have a lot to lose if “we as a nation” stood up.
Fabia VRS has a real world average of 51MPG. Skoda Fabia (2000 - 2007) vRS - Real MPG | Honest John
I don’t think you can call a car with 130hp and 9.5 to 60 ‘hot’ because it has a go faster badge on the back.
Fiesta STs of that era were a clear 1.5 seconds faster to 60 and they are only considered to be warm.
Things that were actually considered to be a hot hatch like the Civic Type R had nearly 200hp and where 3 seconds quicker to 60.
Fiesta STs of that era were a clear 1.5 seconds faster to 60 and they are only considered to be warm.
Things that were actually considered to be a hot hatch like the Civic Type R had nearly 200hp and where 3 seconds quicker to 60.
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People talk like its and either/or when its not the car I drive to work in is an i10 gets filled up once a week and £35 will brim the tank and I don't drive like grandad. Its not "theres no point I'm going to carry on driving my SUV even if its £100+ per week". Er no, its not quite like that. Ok its not going to give lewis hamilton any worries anytime soon but still a car and sure beats waiting at a freezing cold bus stop. Actually no don't do that everyone carry on driving their gas guzzling monsters and leave the practical cars to the rest of us as I don't want the demand and hence prices to rocket. Thanks.
I'm getting 58mpg in my Mondeo at the minute hardly hang around either. Mix of motorway and A roads.
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Same, I get 56-58mpg in a 10yr old Mondeo. Motorway mainly but still cut about town regular. I am not 90-100mph at all, but I don't do 55mpt either.
I am hoping my next car will be electric, but seems a bit of a stretch at the minute. I was planning on making the jump in 2 years, but still can't see me being able to afford it. I'm not a car person, but definitely want something good, comfortable and it 100% has to be able to travel 300mile in 1 charge. So thats where I start eating beans every day to be able to go "green".
I am hoping my next car will be electric, but seems a bit of a stretch at the minute. I was planning on making the jump in 2 years, but still can't see me being able to afford it. I'm not a car person, but definitely want something good, comfortable and it 100% has to be able to travel 300mile in 1 charge. So thats where I start eating beans every day to be able to go "green".
Yes but putting the power into a battery is storing energy without wasting it pumping water around. Also we don’t have a big enough lake for mass EV adoption and all it requires is people to charge off peak hence easy to implement and not some ‘benefit for EV drivers’
a Tesla power wall is just an EV without wheels really in this context
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For £1.50 I can drive 120 miles in my Nissan Leaf. How far can your car go on a litre of petrol?
Just to clarify, the claims were hot hatches from 17 years ago get 60mpg and current hybrids have a lower cost per mile than a BEV, neither is true.
I didn’t say no cars can get 60mpg, they clearly can but nothing that is considered to be ‘hot’ gets that kind of efficiency. Only cars with lower levels of output, specially from that era can get those kind of economy numbers. The vast majority of cars are built for the mass market, the mass market generally wants the vehicle to use as little fuel as possible, hence the popular phrase ‘eco box’ because that’s exactly what it is. It’s a box on wheels that’s designed to use as little fuel as possible (according to the test cycle). Eco box isn’t some kind of derogatory term, if anything it’s more of a badge of honour that it ever has been. Cars built with performance in mind just don’t get those kind of numbers.
I didn’t say no cars can get 60mpg, they clearly can but nothing that is considered to be ‘hot’ gets that kind of efficiency. Only cars with lower levels of output, specially from that era can get those kind of economy numbers. The vast majority of cars are built for the mass market, the mass market generally wants the vehicle to use as little fuel as possible, hence the popular phrase ‘eco box’ because that’s exactly what it is. It’s a box on wheels that’s designed to use as little fuel as possible (according to the test cycle). Eco box isn’t some kind of derogatory term, if anything it’s more of a badge of honour that it ever has been. Cars built with performance in mind just don’t get those kind of numbers.
An electric car cost significantly more and doesn't last as long so that has to be factored in to any costing.
I accept though with fuel prices climbing and the worry about supply, more and more will switch to electric. It'll be interesting though at some point in the future there will come a time when the national grid has issues of its own and people won't be able to charge their cars.
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If it helps with you argument, now commodity prices are so high - really hard to find oil is now profitable, so expect tonnes of environmentally destructive prospecting to begin
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A brand new Electric car costs more up front but is cheaper in the long run due to the fuel, tax and servicing savings. A used electric car is still more expensive than a used ICE car but you hardly suffer any depreciation and still benefit from all the other savings making it way cheaper to own than any ICE car if you plan on keeping it for around 3 - 5 years.
I am not sure where you get EV's don't last as long as ICE cars? There are plenty of EV's that have over 200,000 miles on the clock.
Some EV's have standard UK plug sockets in them so you could actually power the house using the car during a power cut.
That completely depends on the mileage you do and whether you have home charging.
Charging on something like ecotricity is close to the same cost/mile as ice, so no real savings there, and if you're only doing 5k miles/year then even home charging on octopus go is going to take a long time to make up the extra £5-10k purchase price!
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Filled up today unleaded @ £1.56 at Sainsbury's. I normally go to a Shell on way home from work but it's almost 10p more.
So station prices should drop back today with yesterdays 12% barrel drop ? but for hysterisis delay;
not sure how uptodate the petrol price apps are these days, I don't want to get there and find its out of date.
How to capitalise on the opportunity presented by negative pricing in the British Wholesale Electricity Market
not sure how uptodate the petrol price apps are these days, I don't want to get there and find its out of date.
yes , agree, similarly for Germany, where they look to ship surplus energy to other countries with such facilities - green hydrogen might be an option albeit 33%ish efficient
How to capitalise on the opportunity presented by negative pricing in the British Wholesale Electricity Market
not true - look at below link/autotrader data, equally the lifespan of ev'sversus ice remains to be seen with higher reliance on electronic components which age, using different mechanisms to ice mechanical parts, software dependency too.