Fuel up/down again

[Biohazard]

Wasn't that Jez's point though? Why are the 4th largest energy group pulling out if it's such a cash cow as you make out?

One group pulls out of one market = total loss of that market?

 

[Duke]

If they were making so much, why have so many closed down? We've lost half our stations here over the last few years.

 

[Wicksta]

If they were making so much, why have so many closed down? We've lost half our stations here over the last few years.

Same here, petrol stations seem to be closing as regularly as pubs in recent years around here.

 

[Draeger]

Yet another Motors thread spirals down into "handbags at twenty paces" territory.

 

[Biohazard]

The very idea you'd tell Jez to 'go away' on a subject like this is quite hilarious.

There is very little profit in RETAIL FUEL. Often, RETAIL FUEL is subsidised by the massive profits from oil production rather than refined fuel retail.

The roads are not paved with gold in flogging petrol on forecourts.

Extracting oil is HUGELY profitable. Selling it to us in the form of unleaded is not.

Oh here we go, moron of the day.

I told him to go away on

The 4th largest energy group in the world for example, are completely pulling out of the UK retail petroleum market after YEARS of deliberation and proposals to do this to the parent company. You do not do this if there is profit to be made.

So do you glorious leader of all dicks in motors agree that YOU DO NOT DO THIS IF THERE IS PROFIT TO BE MADE. IE

THERE IS NO PROFIT TO BE MADE?

NO PROFIT AT ALL?

ARHARHAHRAHRARHHGHG morons.

He isn't. You are.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Oh here we go, moron of the day.

So do you glorious leader of all dicks in motors

ARHARHAHRAHRARHHGHG morons.

I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

That sort of reaction because people think you are wrong about fuel prices is just abnormal, sorry. And yet you think the problem is everyone else?

Chuckle.

 

[Kenai]

Biohazard why can't you argue a point sensibly without just throwing out rolleyes and calling people dicks?

It doesn't say much for your argument when you don't seem to be able to back it up with anything more than insults and hyperbole.

 

[Biohazard]

I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

You are a dick, check it.

I tell him to go away because clearly there is profit in the UK fuel market.

But you say I'm wrong?

Ok. Whatever captain.

 

[Biohazard]

Biohazard why can't you argue a point sensibly without just throwing out rolleyes and calling people dicks?

It doesn't say much for your argument when you don't seem to be able to back it up with anything more than insults and hyperbole.

Because its really simple stuff and people in here like to act high and mighty over nothing?

There is profit in the UK fuel market.

Might be pennies at the petrol court, but overall petrolium and oil production is a very profitable business.

Therefore, trying to claim they 'try to make profit', or there is 'no profit' is craptastic nonesense.

 

[Kenai]

Because its really simple stuff

So why are you finding it so hard to back it up in any sort of meaningful fashion without throwing insults?

You made the assertion to start with, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim.

 

[[TW]Fox]

You are a dick

You really are so good at this debating thing.

I tell him to go away because clearly there is profit in the UK fuel market.

You went mental because somebody had a different opinion to you. You do this all the time. Then when people pick up on the fact you don't take kindly to people not agreeing with you, you go absolutely bonkers and hurl personal insults around. That doesnt really lend you any credibility, does it?

The profits in UK retail fuel are very low - so low that major players have decided it simply isn't worth continuing. Some filling stations even make a loss.

This is pretty much the opposite of your opinion we are being screwed over by petrol stations who apparently rake in millions in profits.

Might be pennies at the petrol court, but overall petrolium and oil production is a very profitable business.

Therefore, trying to claim they 'try to make profit', or there is 'no profit' is craptastic nonesense.

So now you agree with us?! We are talking about the petrol forecourt NOT oil production itself. There is no quesiton that oil production is hugely profitable. Nobody has disputed this. We are talking about the PETROL FORECOURT.

Which you, yourself, have just admitted that the profit 'Might be pennies at the petrol court', after being rude and abusive to everyone who disagreed with you.

 

[Jez]

I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

That sort of reaction because people think you are wrong about fuel prices is just abnormal, sorry. And yet you think the problem is everyone else?

Chuckle.

Totally

You are a dick, check it.

I tell him to go away because clearly there is profit in the UK fuel market.

But you say I'm wrong?

Ok. Whatever captain.

This guy is comedy gold. What is your source by the way? You must have a very close tie to the industry to be getting THIS irate about being told what is what?

Show me some figures which support that in the context of the massive operation and capital placing which a UK retail arm requires, that there is a meaningful return. Taking into account the re-investment potential of said capital of course.

 

[Biohazard]

You really are so good at this debating thing.



You went mental because somebody had a different opinion to you. You do this all the time. Then when people pick up on the fact you don't take kindly to people not agreeing with you, you go absolutely bonkers and hurl personal insults around. That doesnt really lend you any credibility, does it?

Hardly mental.

The stupidity displayed on an hourly basis in this forum is depressing.

I don't really care for my credibility Fox, especially when arguing the toss with drivelling idiots?

The profits in UK retail fuel are very low - so low that major players have decided it simply isn't worth continuing. Some filling stations even make a loss.

Very good, thanks for that. I'd have never have known...

This is pretty much the opposite of your opinion we are being screwed over by petrol stations who apparently rake in millions in profits.

I never said that though, neither did I emote it anywhere near like that.

I never said petrol stations either;

Try to make money?

Don't you mean dredge it in gleefully? Something like £1.5Million profit an hour.

I'd say they were as bad as each other.

Petrolium companies are not your friend.

Don't let accuracy get in the way of things however

 

[Kenai]

I never said petrol stations either;



Don't let accuracy get in the way of things however

You made that comment in direct response to a post about the proportion of revenue an oil company receives at the pump being tiny

Shock as businesses try to make money!

What percentage of the pump price actually goes to the fuel company revenues these days? Maybe a third? Fuel duty is the main component of the pump price, followed by the product itself, then VAT (soon to go up of course!) and then the retailer maybe gets 4-5p per litre.

And then the fuel company pays tax on that 1/3rd of the pump price anyway as it's revenue. Direct your bile at the government, not Shell or Jet

Try to make money?

Don't you mean dredge it in gleefully? Something like £1.5Million profit an hour.

I'd say they were as bad as each other.

Petrolium companies are not your friend.

 

[Biohazard]

Totally



This guy is comedy gold. What is your source by the way? You must have a very close tie to the industry to be getting THIS irate about being told what is what?

No, you talking **** and passing it as gold plated fact.

That's annoying.

Yes, I have close ties in the industry on the tax side of heavy and light oil production. Grangemouth specifically. And elsewhere.

Show me some figures which support that in the context of the massive operation and capital placing which a UK retail arm requires, that there is a meaningful return.

What?

I'm not chasing arguments you decide to put down before me, neither has this got anything to do with my problem.

You prove the UK market is profitless.

 

[[TW]Fox]

arguing the toss with drivelling idiots?

And again the constant abuse continues. Look at yourself - you are being rude and abusive because people think you are wrong about petrol stations. Don't you think you are being a bit over the top here?

I once received a weeks suspension for calling somebodies Dad a 'moron' for not letting him drive on the Motorway. I wonder what the dons will make of your little outburst?

I never said petrol stations either;

We are talking about buying petrol from petrol stations. Why would you talk about anything but petrol stations? Nothing else is really relevent is it?

 

[DM]

I dont know about the chains but private petrol stations are worthless. No money in it at all.

 

[Biohazard]

And again the constant abuse continues. Look at yourself - you are being rude and abusive because people think you are wrong about petrol stations. Don't you think you are being a bit over the top here?

It's not only petrol stations?

I quite clearly said petrol company, ie overall.

The essense was government rip us off, not the oil companies.

With overall profits running into figures like that, I thought some counterbalance was due.

I once received a weeks suspension for calling somebodies Dad a 'moron' for not letting him drive on the Motorway. I wonder what the dons will make of your little outburst?

Who cares.

This place is full of idiots and morons, it's only the truth.




(although if true that is harsh)

We are talking about buying petrol from petrol stations. Why would you talk about anything but petrol stations? Nothing else is really relevent is it?

I'm not talking anything but.

Read above, you're not that clever fox.

 

[Slam62]

hello.... temporarily back.

He was talking about oil companies, they do make lots of money.

Forcourts have always moaned that they don't make much money.

in other news

It's a hard life.

 

[Kenai]

So essentially what you're saying now then is, whilst someone else was discussing profits at the pump, you elected to make a statement in response to them that was related to entirely different arms of the oil industry?