Fuel up/down again

127.8 or 128.7 at local Asda

Saw the news this morning saying people kicking up a fuss again about the forthcoming 3p rise, then gave a breakdown of current tax/costs :(

I don't really keep on top of it tbh, whats being done at the moment are they trying to reduce the tax/VAT or?
 
Tute said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-politics-15730087?psdata=11_3_8_4_9_10__CD11__CK12_14_15_

I find it utterly unbelievable they're even considering this. Are we trying to encourage growth or not? Because 3p will just do the opposite.

If anything, the government should be trying to find ways to shift tax away from fuel onto non-essential luxury goods.
Click to expand...

As i've said before i couldn't care less, those who can actually afford to run a car will continue to do so, some people won't drive as much, the mums will actually walk kids into school and quit clogging up the roads.

Lets face it if £1.50 per tank is the difference between you using a car or not then quite frankly i don't want you on the road.
 
Being able to afford it really isn't the point though is it?

I could afford petrol at £5/litre but does that mean it should be raised to that level?
 
Because the motorist has already paid more than enough into the treasury in recent years? They changed VED to generate more money and have heaped massive amounts of tax onto the cost of fuel in recent years.
 
Well, I can't see them changing it if it was going to lose them money. After all, they're certainly not doing it for something as valiant as "Global Warming", no matter how much smoke and mirrors they try to use.

Also, there's the revenue that VED indirectly generates through getting morons to drop their £200 a year car in favour of buying a brand new one for £10K that saves them £100 a year.

On a side note Firestar, it scares me a bit that you're not bothered by increases in fuel duty. I mean, using that train of thought, where does it stop? What fuel price would actually bother you?
 
The Gov has received less this year from the tax on fuel, as people are buying less. They should either keep it at the current rate or reduce it a small amount to get people using their cars more again.
 
How does people using their cars less impact other areas where taxation is generated though? For example, a drop in the use of cars would surely impact the use of public transport, meaning the government still get their money indirectly, no?

Also, I appreciate that there is a defecit that needs to be addressed. But I think 3p is just far too much at this stage. Something like 1p on fuel, 1p on alcohol and 1p on tobacco would be a far better way to do this.
 
Tute said:
On a side note Firestar, it scares me a bit that you're not bothered by increases in fuel duty. I mean, using that train of thought, where does it stop? What fuel price would actually bother you?
Click to expand...

Around double the current tax without an increase in oil price, the tax isn’t going to double overnight if it did you might have a riot on your hands, I get pay rises which take into account these sort of costs, the real likelihood going forward is an increase in oil price for which I’m isolated from anyways so i don't really care about that either, higher oil prices are beneficial to me.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Around double the current tax without an increase in oil price, the tax isn’t going to double overnight if it did you might have a riot on your hands, I get pay rises which take into account these sort of costs, the real likelihood going forward is an increase in oil price for which I’m isolated from anyways so i don't really care about that either, higher oil prices are beneficial to me.
Click to expand...

yeah but not to the general joe bloggs, people on lower income spend more money on fuel, which means less household income, this effects how people can live a day to day life. And even budgeting doesn't work putting up prices of fuel will effect smaller business and will have to close. this is stupid idea by pig headed government.

On average i spend £80 a month on fuel, this money could be spent on food for the family, to save for the future, all they are doing is giving less money to save so i can't save for a house or going on holiday.
 
Last edited:
dave1983 said:
yeah but not to the general joe bloggs, people on lower income spend more money on fuel, which means less household income, this effects how people can live a day to day life. And even budgeting doesn't work putting up prices of fuel will effect smaller business and will have to close. this is stupid idea by pig headed government.
Click to expand...

I totally understand that but I can only speak for myself and the benefit to me not others, as nasty is this is going to sound the financial position other family’s are in and the choices they have made are down to them not me.

At the end of the day running a car is a luxuary, it should be seen this way, if people find they can't afford to drive then they need to look at the situation in hand and find other means.

For example I can't afford to eat at a high quality restaurant 30 - 31 days a month so i don't.

People’s vision on car ownership has been blurred over the years as cars have become more affordable, this needs to change.
 
Tute said:
In London maybe, but in the case of everywhere else I wholeheartedly disagree.
Click to expand...

How is running a car not a luxury?

9 times out of 10 people put themselves in a work / house travel situation which revolves around the usage of a car, they could move closer to work and remove the need for a car, it's not a case of what's nice it's a case of necessity.

The idea of living in the countryside and working in a city / town is a luxury decision.
 
Last edited:
Because almost all of the population rely on it to do things like get to work?

It's not like the public transport system outside of London could even begin to cope if people stopped using their cars.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom