US: Game of Thrones Season 3 (contains spoilers)
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Man of Honour
I don't remember him being introduced properly in the TV show.
Soldato
Just did a quick google and it looks like it.
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Man of Honour
Not a spoiler but lots of swearing!
Soldato
Oops, didn't realise. My bad
Caporegime
Its mentioned in the TV show Wiki he was mentioned in season 2 and didn't appear until season 3:
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ramsay_Snow
and He is credited on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3701064/
But the TV show haven't introduced him by name yet.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Ramsay_Snow
and He is credited on IMDB
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3701064/
But the TV show haven't introduced him by name yet.
roose bolton told ramsay snow via crows on rob starks orders that any iron born who surrender will be allowed to return home with the exception of theon greyjoy which suggests they gave theon over for free passage back to the iron islands.
It was in series 2, I've linked the "all roose bolton" scenes video in here atleast 2 times and told people to watch it if they want to understand what's happening with theon
Soldato
I missed that Jorah was the son of the Lord Commander (Jeor?). Really never picked up on it.
I had forgotten that Jorah was also, initially, spying for Varys. However, it did give us a reminder at the start of the latest episode so that cleared that up for me.
I had no clue about what was happening with Theon really. But then when Jaime was taken to Lord Bolton those pieces seemed to join up too. I remembered he'd sent his son etc.
There are a lot of threads and when those threads span not just several episodes, but seasons, I can see why people get totally lost about certain characters!
The most clear stories are around Dany for me. Much easier to keep track I find, barring Varys' spying.
I had forgotten that Jorah was also, initially, spying for Varys. However, it did give us a reminder at the start of the latest episode so that cleared that up for me.
I had no clue about what was happening with Theon really. But then when Jaime was taken to Lord Bolton those pieces seemed to join up too. I remembered he'd sent his son etc.
There are a lot of threads and when those threads span not just several episodes, but seasons, I can see why people get totally lost about certain characters!
The most clear stories are around Dany for me. Much easier to keep track I find, barring Varys' spying.
Man of Honour
Is it just me that thinks Theon is getting what he deserves?
Soldato
He is getting what he deserves, though I think we're supposed to feel a bit of sympathy for him.
Caporegime
Another talkie talkie episode...so we found out that :
This black magic thing is real...that guy can't die !
John Snow has found love?
The people over the wall are going to attack soon?
They are not attacking King's Landing but "castely rock" ?
Those slaves wants to still be slaves....not sure what purpose that 5 minute scene serves except just to put her on screen for a bit.
Found out a little bit about Jamie Lannister's character about how he killed the king. All the while I wish they do a little flashback sequence instead of 3 minutes of pure talking.......Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess they don't have the budget for that.
The dwarf is going to marry the Stark girl, the incestrial woman is getting married off to someone else and none of them like it.
I am not sure how much do any of these actually are moving the story forward, it feels awful lot like they are padding it out?
This black magic thing is real...that guy can't die !
John Snow has found love?
The people over the wall are going to attack soon?
They are not attacking King's Landing but "castely rock" ?
Those slaves wants to still be slaves....not sure what purpose that 5 minute scene serves except just to put her on screen for a bit.
Found out a little bit about Jamie Lannister's character about how he killed the king. All the while I wish they do a little flashback sequence instead of 3 minutes of pure talking.......Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess they don't have the budget for that.
The dwarf is going to marry the Stark girl, the incestrial woman is getting married off to someone else and none of them like it.
I am not sure how much do any of these actually are moving the story forward, it feels awful lot like they are padding it out?
Theon is a complex character: taken from one high house to another as a child, brought up by a family that are not his own and ultimately fairly unloved by both. His longing for acceptance, false bravado and air of unearned superiority basically makes him a dickbag. But we're made to understand why he's that way, so we sympathise.
Technically, he dies a lot, then he is brought back
True...it was much better to read
The most complex imo(apart form maybe Sandor)
Don't expect any properly resolved story lines at all, it just gets more and more tangled, sprawling and unfocused. Good to read as 'scenic character studies', but I think the TV version will get increasingly unwatchable for people who haven't read the books.
Depends what you consider padding it out. Bear in mind that they're covering ~800 pages of book every ten episodes, and that three minutes of talking on screen is only three pages of script, I'm surprised there's not more monologues, which progress the story quicker than acting something out.
The longer the fight scenes, the more action they put in, the less actual story they can add to the series, and there's a lot of story to cover even if some seems superfluous at the time.
Caporegime
I haven't read the book so I can't compare to it but they don't need to or expect the viewers to have read the book to understand where all the talking is coming from. I want a show to thrill me, hook me or entertain me. I don't mind some talking and build up to a conclusion but they have been building for so long and every now and again it needs to be some satisfying part in the story arc to keep the viewers interested. Right now when watching it i am constantly looking at the clock which is not a good sign, it means I am not hooked to it and to be honest, I am seriously thinking of giving up on it. If it takes another 20 hours to get to a 1 hour last episode ending for it to be "gratifying" then it is 20 hours wasted, I wouldn't have enjoyed any of those 20 hours much. One reason why I gave up on Lost after 2 seasons, it just brought up lots and lots of questions with no answers. Except Lost at least has lots of set piece action sequences within it so the journey was at least fun.
As for 800 pages in 10 episodes. That is about the same as Lord of the rings trilogy...that works. If there is not enough time/episodes to fit all those stories in then make it 12 episodes or 22 like a regular television series. But I guess they don't have a budget for that.
Game of Thrones so far in season 3, its journey is as fun as sitting on a dying donkey looking for water, it hasn't even seen an oasis to give me the illusion of some fun in quite a while. For a show trying to "squeeze" in a lot of content in a limited time, they sure are doing a bad job of it. It feels like they are padding it out than rushing to squeeze in lots of stuff they can't fit in.
Perhaps I should spend the next 20 hours reading the books than watching this.
As for 800 pages in 10 episodes. That is about the same as Lord of the rings trilogy...that works. If there is not enough time/episodes to fit all those stories in then make it 12 episodes or 22 like a regular television series. But I guess they don't have a budget for that.
Game of Thrones so far in season 3, its journey is as fun as sitting on a dying donkey looking for water, it hasn't even seen an oasis to give me the illusion of some fun in quite a while. For a show trying to "squeeze" in a lot of content in a limited time, they sure are doing a bad job of it. It feels like they are padding it out than rushing to squeeze in lots of stuff they can't fit in.
Perhaps I should spend the next 20 hours reading the books than watching this.
Funny that I feel the opposite about Lost! With that they had the potential to make something amazing but knew they had to make up enough story to fit a tortuous number of episodes for an unknown number of seasons, so it became all about character back-stories, many of which were irrelevent and came to nothing. The GoT books already have a start and an end and the content between can't really be shifted to any huge degree. Neither can they cut some parts for TV just because they're not gripping, if they're later pertinent to the story arc.
One thing I have noticed though is that watching a 50-55 minute episode once a week is disappointingly non-immersive, especially compared to devouring a whole book over a few days. I enjoyed S1 and 2 far more rewatching each in their entirety over a couple of weekends. Maybe wait until it's all out and watch it like that? Not sure what to suggest otherwise. If you're not enjoying it you're not enjoying it.
One thing I have noticed though is that watching a 50-55 minute episode once a week is disappointingly non-immersive, especially compared to devouring a whole book over a few days. I enjoyed S1 and 2 far more rewatching each in their entirety over a couple of weekends. Maybe wait until it's all out and watch it like that? Not sure what to suggest otherwise. If you're not enjoying it you're not enjoying it.
I would do this.
Caporegime
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good dialogue driven show as much as the next guy, The West Wing was one of my all time favourite program and I rate it very highly.
The problem I have with Game of Thrones is because there are so many story lines, they are only allocate so much on screen time for each one at a time and it is difficult to juggle all of them coherently, especially for someone like me who hasn't read the book. I am struggling to remember the names of the characters (25 episodes, that is 25 hours of TV and I still don't remember the name of that Dwarf !).
I am sure it all comes together in the end but there needs to be something in the middle to happen to keep viewers interested. As a TV series, each season should be relatively self contained and there should be some mini arc within it.
For example, in season 1 it was suggested that in the North they won a few battles...I don't remember seeing a single one. In season 3, it was suggested that they attacked some bell tower and lost some 300 men. Well, it would be nice to show that to give the show a bit of an oomph. All the battles in the north were like throw away sentences, I have no idea how big his army is and whether it is 10,000 men or just the 5 guards in his chambers, as far as I am aware 5 men is all he has !
The problem I have with Game of Thrones is because there are so many story lines, they are only allocate so much on screen time for each one at a time and it is difficult to juggle all of them coherently, especially for someone like me who hasn't read the book. I am struggling to remember the names of the characters (25 episodes, that is 25 hours of TV and I still don't remember the name of that Dwarf !).
I am sure it all comes together in the end but there needs to be something in the middle to happen to keep viewers interested. As a TV series, each season should be relatively self contained and there should be some mini arc within it.
For example, in season 1 it was suggested that in the North they won a few battles...I don't remember seeing a single one. In season 3, it was suggested that they attacked some bell tower and lost some 300 men. Well, it would be nice to show that to give the show a bit of an oomph. All the battles in the north were like throw away sentences, I have no idea how big his army is and whether it is 10,000 men or just the 5 guards in his chambers, as far as I am aware 5 men is all he has !