Geforce GTX 780, 770 coming in May

[pgi947]

I think it was a pure profitability thing. I chucked some serious volts through my 680's with the ArtMoney hack and they absolutely flew. If I was braver, I would have kept 1.45V running through for gaming and running a 1400Mhz clock and I can see those clocks that I had matching the 780 (fps wise) if the rumours are true.

At the time, I believed it to be on saving RMA's and keeping max profits (no voltage tweaking = less returns from over volting) but not so sure now.

All speculation.

I think this was the initial feeling when the 680's launched, over volting and thus big clocks may snatch sales from the next top line as we know a stock titan = roughly 7970 @ ~1300mhz, a 680 at a similar speed may well be clipping titans heels as well. Though the RMA factor also comes into it, I'd love to see returns figures vs. older generation (or even vs 7970 with unlocked voltages) to see if it has actually done anything to reduce the number of faulty cards.

Its a shame but its a direction Nvidia seem to be taking. Just hope AMD don't take a similar stance as it could potentially destroy absolute top end cards such as the Lightning, Classy, SOC etc...that are geared towards over volting.

 

[1kiwi]

Wait there is a hack to overvolt the 680!!!

 

[whyscotty]

Wait there is a hack to overvolt the 680!!!

Yes, for the Lightnings

 

[1kiwi]

Yes, for the Lightnings

I thought as much. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[PhysicsMan94]

I just read your sig. Do you really need to build a new computer ?

Oh, lol - that's not my current system! That's the build that I have planned for the summer - although some components may be subject to change (i.e. the GPU if the 780 comes out soon).

 

[bru]

Games are still quite demanding and with 120HZ monitors now also becoming mainstream (and in my opinion also make an amazing experience) gamers are going to want to be hitting the 120fps mark through all scenes. It's not necessary, but it is becoming the norm.

I run BF3 on a GTX 680, many settings on low to make sure I'm well above that 120FPS threshold.

Just my pointless 2 cents.

Personally I think that 120Hz is no where near becoming the norm. for example this site sells 77 different monitors only 8 of them are 120Hz capable. even the next generation of consoles wont be hitting 120 fps, they will be aiming for a solid 60fps at 1080p something that the currant consoles have trouble achieving.

 

[Sin_Chase]

Personally I think that 120Hz is no where near becoming the norm. for example this site sells 77 different monitors only 8 of them are 120Hz capable. even the next generation of consoles wont be hitting 120 fps, they will be aiming for a solid 60fps at 1080p something that the currant consoles have trouble achieving.

You do not need 120fps to benefit hugely from 120Hz.

 

[Gregster]

I think this was the initial feeling when the 680's launched, over volting and thus big clocks may snatch sales from the next top line as we know a stock titan = roughly 7970 @ ~1300mhz, a 680 at a similar speed may well be clipping titans heels as well. Though the RMA factor also comes into it, I'd love to see returns figures vs. older generation (or even vs 7970 with unlocked voltages) to see if it has actually done anything to reduce the number of faulty cards.

Its a shame but its a direction Nvidia seem to be taking. Just hope AMD don't take a similar stance as it could potentially destroy absolute top end cards such as the Lightning, Classy, SOC etc...that are geared towards over volting.

I did expect Titans to have volting back after Nvidia released the statement "You asked for voltage control back, so we have done it"...Sadly +38mV isn't really what I wanted... Not moaning but when you see someone like Vince and 8Pack score far more than both my Lightnings put together, I want some of that fun

I don't see Nvidia doing anything different with volts on further releases and only they will know the reason for locking them down. I don't fancy breaking out the soldering iron and attempting hard modding with my wobbly hands but I do know a man who would. The biggest obstacle I have is allowing him to mess with an £800 GPU.

Maybe AMD will keep the fun and bring out the 8 series with unlocked volts but judging by the current 7970's, this is looking unlikely also.

 

[Arthur Hucksake]

You do not need 120fps to benefit hugely from 120Hz.

Exactly this.

I could never go back to 60hz. Don't have the amazing colour reproduction or IQ wow factor of an IPS but I will care about that when games become photo realistic.

 

[spoffle]

I think this was the initial feeling when the 680's launched, over volting and thus big clocks may snatch sales from the next top line as we know a stock titan = roughly 7970 @ ~1300mhz, a 680 at a similar speed may well be clipping titans heels as well. Though the RMA factor also comes into it, I'd love to see returns figures vs. older generation (or even vs 7970 with unlocked voltages) to see if it has actually done anything to reduce the number of faulty cards.

Its a shame but its a direction Nvidia seem to be taking. Just hope AMD don't take a similar stance as it could potentially destroy absolute top end cards such as the Lightning, Classy, SOC etc...that are geared towards over volting.

It's actually because the power regulation circuitry on most 680s aren't capable of supporting an increased load from higher volts.

It's certainly a cost cutting measure, that's why they managed to get the 670s on such a small PCB. Much smaller chip than usual, with only a 256 bit memory bus, and lesser power regulation circuitry make for a very cheap to produce card, roughly half the cost of the GTX570 to produce.

This is actually where the "mid range GPU" thing comes from, it's not about the actual performance, it's about the cost cutting measures taken to significantly reduce the cost of manufacture of these cards.

 

[pgi947]

I did expect Titans to have volting back after Nvidia released the statement "You asked for voltage control back, so we have done it"...Sadly +38mV isn't really what I wanted... Not moaning but when you see someone like Vince and 8Pack score far more than both my Lightnings put together, I want some of that fun

I don't see Nvidia doing anything different with volts on further releases and only they will know the reason for locking them down. I don't fancy breaking out the soldering iron and attempting hard modding with my wobbly hands but I do know a man who would. The biggest obstacle I have is allowing him to mess with an £800 GPU.

Maybe AMD will keep the fun and bring out the 8 series with unlocked volts but judging by the current 7970's, this is looking unlikely also.

AMD reference cards remain to have voltage control (on 7970's). It's the board partners using cheaper/unsupported regulators. If a 7970 is true reference it should have moar volts. I do hope it stays the same on the 8000 series.

If other holds true the power circuits are cheaper why were nvidia so up tight with the lightning/classified/SOC's of this world? They all have specifically designed power features for the sole purpose of feeding more volts. I really do fear for this caliber of card, nvidia single handedly made the classified (new ones) completely useless.

 

[oldestgregg]

I feel with only Nvidia releasing new GPU's in the imminent future, prices will be high. I somehow feel they have lost a potential customer

Me too although that new water physx video thats kicking about has me wanting to make the switch back again to the green side. Am I correct in thinking the 580 was £500when it was released in xmas of whatever year, Greg? I am sure it was and if so I reckon the 780 will be £550 due to availability and the fact Nvidia wont be shy about upping the price a bit now they know people will pay it......although how many people is yet to be seen.

 

[spoffle]

AMD reference cards remain to have voltage control (on 7970's). It's the board partners using cheaper/unsupported regulators. If a 7970 is true reference it should have moar volts. I do hope it stays the same on the 8000 series.

If other holds true the power circuits are cheaper why were nvidia so up tight with the lightning/classified/SOC's of this world? They all have specifically designed power features for the sole purpose of feeding more volts. I really do fear for this caliber of card, nvidia single handedly made the classified (new ones) completely useless.

That was like a side effect really. With nVidia reference not allowing voltage adjustments, they didn't want their board partners putting out cards with voltage adjustment available because they'd smoke reference cards.

The way it's looking, a voltage fed 680 Lightning would probably be around the same performance as the GTX780 if the rumours are to be believed.

As for your comment about AMD and voltage adjustments, I agree there. AMD reference designs are the ones with voltage adjustment, and I can see them including it on their future cards too, it's too much of a selling point for them to remove it.

 

[Gregster]

AMD reference cards remain to have voltage control (on 7970's). It's the board partners using cheaper/unsupported regulators. If a 7970 is true reference it should have moar volts. I do hope it stays the same on the 8000 series.

If other holds true the power circuits are cheaper why were nvidia so up tight with the lightning/classified/SOC's of this world? They all have specifically designed power features for the sole purpose of feeding more volts. I really do fear for this caliber of card, nvidia single handedly made the classified (new ones) completely useless.

Yer hopefully they will keep up the good work and maintain over volting. I think you hit a good point on why the Classy's/Lightnings allowed for over volting and then got told to stop from Nvidia.

Me too although that new water physx video thats kicking about has me wanting to make the switch back again to the green side. Am I correct in thinking the 580 was £500when it was released in xmas of whatever year, Greg? I am sure it was and if so I reckon the 780 will be £550 due to availability and the fact Nvidia wont be shy about upping the price a bit now they know people will pay it......although how many people is yet to be seen.

The 580 was released at a £430 price, so pretty usual pricing for Nvidia. I expect higher on the next release though, purely because of the lack of competition

 

[pgi947]

Ah I see, I can't remember that much from the 'green light program'. All I remember is Nvidia threatened to pull chip allocations from board partners that didn't fall into line with it.

Just think how much money could have been saved had they released the 680 with voltage adjustments and a 384bit bus in the first place

Ah well, at the end of the day it all drives good competition. Just hopefully the prices don't go full-retard with the impending 700 series. I'd actually be happy if they came in at current 670/680 pricing.

 

[spoffle]

Me too although that new water physx video thats kicking about has me wanting to make the switch back again to the green side. Am I correct in thinking the 580 was £500when it was released in xmas of whatever year, Greg? I am sure it was and if so I reckon the 780 will be £550 due to availability and the fact Nvidia wont be shy about upping the price a bit now they know people will pay it......although how many people is yet to be seen.

PhysX videos of that sort have been kicking around for ages. It's not really the sort of thing that will be implemented in to a game any time soon.

 

[Rroff]

Have to say I hope it comes sooner than later, games like skyrim (which has fairly good water even), dishonored, tomb raider, etc. its painfully apparent to me how static and/or non-interactive with the environment the water actually is :|

 

[spoffle]

Have to say I hope it comes sooner than later, games like skyrim (which has fairly good water even), dishonored, tomb raider, etc. its painfully apparent to me how static and/or non-interactive with the environment the water actually is :|

Realistically though, you know that water of this calibre isn't going to be something included in games for quite some time though.

It's the ol' situation where water like that is all fine and well in a scene like that, but try to have water like that in a games environment and it's just NOPE. when it comes to a decent frame rate unless everything else is compromised for the water, and even then it'd only be a case of lesser NOPE.

 

[Diagro]

When Cloud gaming arrives then it might be possible to have water like that.

 

[Suarez7]

When Cloud gaming arrives then it might be possible to have water like that.

Cloud gaming is already dead.