Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

five8five · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:43

dreigns said:
They didn't do it at the 980, 1080 or 1080ti shows why would they start now.

They did show the UE4 demo but we don't know what was being done setting and tech wise

They did show a performance comparison between the 1080ti and the 1080 at the reveal.

dreigns · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:45

five8five said:
They did show a performance comparison between the 1080ti and the 1080 at the reveal.

I remember them saying its 35x faster then a 1080 but no numbers which is what everyone wants not a its X faster but no idea in what

Paladine · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:45

five8five said:
They did show a performance comparison between the 1080ti and the 1080 at the reveal.

Which is not the same as a performance comparison between the 1080ti and the 980ti so dreigns was correct.

pagepack · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:48

Paladine said:
No it isn't the logical conclusion - it is just crap. Many of the media present at the Tomb Radar demo made it very clear that they were told this was an unpolished, very early build - but most people in this thread who have one goal (to fuel negativity) completely failed to include that part in their comments. Now the devs have responded formally stating what most of the people present already stated - so there is no more confusion.

No one is confused about price, pure greed on Nvidia's part. A third tier mid range 2070 at £570, a total joke.

PhoenixSP · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:48

still waiting for the msi seahawk to be released, very slow this time

B1gbeard · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:50

pagepack said:
No one is confused about price, pure greed on Nvidia's part. A third tier mid range 2070 at £570, a total joke.

Can you give us a breakdown of R&D, cost of chip and all the tech in it, manufacturing costs, profit etc? I have no idea but you seem to.

willhub · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:51

Wondering if the RTX2080 will be in laptops, perhaps they'll have to make an M version or wait until 7nm? Can't imagine anything more toasty than a Pascal laptop, won't need a heater in winter so with Turing maybe a fire engine on standby?

Sargatanas2511 · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:55

B1gbeard said:
Can you give us a breakdown of R&D, cost of chip and all the tech in it, manufacturing costs, profit etc? I have no idea but you seem to.

This is irrelevant, there are market segments that are usually adhered to. If Ford decided to make an expensive Fiesta costing a lot in R&D but not actually performing all that much different and try to charge double what they were last generation for it people would baulk.

B1gbeard · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:55

PhoenixSP said:
still waiting for the msi seahawk to be released, very slow this time

I saw a video with a FTW3 and some MSI cards but not sure if the Seahawk was there. It's this video:

pagepack · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:55

B1gbeard said:
Can you give us a breakdown of R&D, cost of chip and all the tech in it, manufacturing costs, profit etc? I have no idea but you seem to.

Do I? Did I quote their r&d costs?

Of course their costs could have risen by 40% over the last couple of years. Or it could be price gouging, take your pick.

B1gbeard · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:58

Sargatanas2511 said:
This is irrelevant, there are market segments that are usually adhered to. If Ford decided to make a super expensive Fiesta and try to charge double what they were last generation for it people would baulk.

I'm sure Ford have made flashier models of standard one's before and sold them for more. If this was the same chip but faster I would agree with you but it is much larger with new tech in it. We don't know if the prices are mad or not, we see them as that based on the previous gen, but this is a different beast.

Paladine · 22 Aug 2018 at 08:59

Sargatanas2511 said:
This is irrelevant, there are market segments that are usually adhered to. If Ford decided to make an expensive Fiesta costing a lot in R&D but not actually performing all that much different and try to charge double what they were last generation for it people would baulk.

This doesn't adhere to the usual market segments because it is a completely new technology so it is not comparable with the old segments. If Ford create a Fiesta that flies you wouldn't expect it to be in the same price range as a Fiesta which can only drive on roads.

B1gbeard · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:01

pagepack said:
Do I? Did I quote their r&d costs?

Of course their costs could have risen by 40% over the last couple of years. Or it could be price gouging, take your pick.

Well you said the prices were a joke, so I assumed you knew something about the costs.

Prices are higher than last gen generally even in the US but I expected that even if the new tech turns out to be a waste. The prices are really terrible here though because of the pound and the usual costs that we are told about for a new hardware release in the UK.

Sargatanas2511 · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:01

Paladine said:
This doesn't adhere to the usual market segments because it is a completely new technology so it is not comparable with the old segments. If Ford create a Fiesta that flies you wouldn't expect it to be in the same price range as a Fiesta which can only drive on roads.

Is that not what the 2080Ti is to the 2070 though? Same architecture but much quicker and in a different market segment.

five8five · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:09

Paladine said:
Which is not the same as a performance comparison between the 1080ti and the 980ti so dreigns was correct.

They compared all the Tis. I was meaning they gave a performance indication against a card we knew the full performance of. Granted it was just a general "faster than" but it gave a good indication about what to expect which turned out to be accurate.

pagepack · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:11

B1gbeard said:
Well you said the prices were a joke, so I assumed you knew something about the costs.

Prices are higher than last gen generally even in the US but I expected that even if the new tech turns out to be a waste. The prices are really terrible here though because of the pound and the usual costs that we are told about for a new hardware release in the UK.

A top card, 2005/2006 accounting for inflation cost £550. Where does £1100 come from? Nvidia driving future gamers to AMD powered console's, ironic.

Boot_Loop · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:13

What gets me is Nvidia hiding gaming performance whilst trying to get as many suckers as possible to pre-order the cards at obscene prices without knowing the performance at all. There is a rumour from a respectable YouTuber that the 2080 is only around 8% faster than the 1080 Ti but the funny part is, it's more expensive and the Ti is 1.5 years old.

Tom|Nbk · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:14

Paladine said:
This doesn't adhere to the usual market segments because it is a completely new technology so it is not comparable with the old segments. If Ford create a Fiesta that flies you wouldn't expect it to be in the same price range as a Fiesta which can only drive on roads.

Slightly different that would be ground breaking, some reflections on vehicles and different shadows isn't.

B1gbeard · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:15

pagepack said:
A top card, 2005/2006 accounting for inflation cost £550. Where does £1100 come from? Nvidia driving future gamers to AMD powered console's, ironic.

But how can you just figure in inflation. What about the pound, development costs, staff costs, manufacturing costs, shipping costs, tax, import duty? The fact this chip is bigger with new tech in it? Have all of these just had a set increase that we know of over the last 12 years?

Boot_Loop · 22 Aug 2018 at 09:19

B1gbeard said:
But how can you just figure in inflation. What about the pound, development costs, staff costs, manufacturing costs, shipping costs, tax, import duty? The fact this chip is bigger with new tech in it? Have all of these just had a set increase that we know of over the last 12 years?

By your strange logic AMD should have charged £10,000 for the 2990WX and £6000 for the 2950X.