Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[Tom|Nbk]

Yeah because 90% of the driving world own electric cars; 90% of the home owners in the world have solar, geothermal and wind power...

You are looking at this far too deeply.

It's an overpriced card for where the market is currently at. End of, no comparisons no analogies.

We have a poll stating nearly 500 people aren't interested.

That's a problem.

 

[B1gbeard]

And as said me and the masses don't give a flying hoot about ray tracing it's to new to us, we aren't going to use that as a benchmark or decision maker when buying a new GPU

Ask me in five years when the tech has matured

The performance might be great though FPS wise. We don't know but all we see are the same negative nancies posting the same thing over and over in every thread.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

The performance might be great though FPS wise. We don't know but all we see are the same negative nancies posting the same thing over and over in every thread.

If it delivers 30%-40% better than a 1080ti in normal situations I'll buy it for that cost I'm not going to base the decision on anything else the gpu offers because I dont buy into the features...... yet.

I do not care for Ray Tracing in my games.

 

[Boot_Loop]

WTF are you smoking? Developers have already come out in support of RTX there is zero question we will see significant RTX support in future games with probably patches for some current AAA games. And bolted on? Did you even watch the keynote? These are completely new chips with multiple new cores - to suggest they are just a bolt on when the entire architecture has changed is just ridiculous.

You think developers are going to add significant implementation of RT to their games right now when the consoles don't have the functionality, AMD cards don't have the functionality, and only the most ludicrously expensive card of the new expensive range of cards from Nvidia has the hardware for it?

Can I ask, what are YOU smoking?

So like I said, implementation of it is going to be reserved to a bit better shadows and reflections in some games, and that is literally it in the near term. Very far from your total hyperbole of 'Golden egg for 3D rendering' which is just laughable when applied to these cards.

 

[martian1]

I bet the first thing you have to do is turn the raytracing feature off in video options so prevent issues with the games. I know its a completely different setting but look at all the hype around directx12 and how great that was going to be...runs like a dog for me with it on. Early days spell bother with raytracing and to promote a very expensive line up of new cards without any hint of the general performance boost is very strange. I have a gtx980ti and have saved to skip a couple of generations of cards but the prices compared to that card in its prime are stomach churning to say the least. I could get a half decent 4k tv and console for that money but I hate consoles unfortunately so the wait goes on damnit

 

[KentMan]

its going to be crazy if these cards turn out to be minimal upgrades over the existing series and infact just have some features from the enterprise section modified to use with some gameworks effects and labelled as Raytracing... from what i have seen these effects are mostly Shadows and lights, bit like Smoke and mirrors in all honesty.

There has not been a die shrink has there? this is new architecture but on an existing node? or is this just a modification of existing Pascal with some of Nvidias current enterprise product features added on and modified to work for Raytracing and such? they have admited to using their Tensor core stuff for Deep learning for cleaning up textures and stuff, that says to me this is stuff they already have out in a marketplace.

So effectively it seems Nvidia have pulled an AMD, they are marketing their enterprise products as gaming products, by changing a few things to better deliver gaming orientated features.

Very interesting.

 

[Tom|Nbk]

I think we have some delusion going on in this thread. I hope those defending Ray Tracing have bought the card and investing in its future

 

[Kaapstad]

Can I just snip to say, this +1.

i) We know that ray tracing is computationally very intensive

ii) We don't have anything solid on the performance, just one video recorded third hand with no confirmation on settings used

People are being berated for preordering based on no info, but preorders can be canceled with an email or phone call. Cynicism based on nothing confounded at all, however, is far dumber.

Despite the fact the presentation didn't necessarily go about it in the right away, real-time raytracing is, in fact, a very big deal. Yes, the cards are expensive, but that shouldn't detract from what NVIDIA is trying to achieve here. For all the derogatory comments regarding their ethics, we're getting results. In this case, maybe for the long game - but it's a start. I'm not invested in non realtime rendering, but if you have even the most basic understanding of what NVIDIA is showing here, you should be able to appreciate it. If you (the royal you) are letting the prices detract from the significance of what might be possible, then you're nothing but noise right now repeating in and endless cycle every single generation. The market *will* crash, rest assured of that. There is a cap, and I think we're pretty much there now.

ATM I am not getting a 2080 Ti for reasons you already know.

The way I look at it is if I had a 1080 Ti or Titan Xp as my main gaming card I would definitely be getting 1 or even 2 of the 2080 Ti cards for the reasons below.

1. It is going to be faster than anything in the Pascal lineup by at least 15% to 20%.

2. It is cheaper than a Titan Xp, if anyone can justify spending £1149 on a Titan then a FE 2080 Ti at £1099 can also be justified.

3. Ray Tracing is a nice little bonus if it works well but even if it does not the 2080 Ti is still a good upgrade over Pascal.

4. As you point out once the reviews are available you still have the option to cancel.

This is only my reasoning and PCs are my main hobby if my priorities were elsewhere I would find it difficult to justify the cost of these new cards as for most people there are other things more important in life.

 

[don531]

You are looking at this far too deeply.

It's an overpriced card for where the market is currently at. End of, no comparisons no analogies.

We have a poll stating nearly 500 people aren't interested.

That's a problem.

Possibly only a problem in the UK, due to extra high prices down to the exchange rate

I'd bet Nvidia have a much better idea than you whether these will sell or not....

 

[Tom|Nbk]

I'd bet Nvidia have a much better idea than you whether these will sell or not....

I would hope so wouldn't you?

 

[Kaapstad]

I think we have some delusion going on in this thread. I hope those defending Ray Tracing have bought the card and investing in its future

I don't think anyone who is considering one of the new cards should even give that much thought to Ray Tracing, the real question is whether the card will be a good upgrade on what they already have and whether it is worth the cost.

 

[ubersonic]

A top card, 2005/2006 accounting for inflation cost £550.

The Voodoo 5 6000 from 2001 cost £800 accounting for inflation, the 7950GX2 from 2005 cost £850 accounting for inflation, the 8800 Ultra from 2006 cost £1135 accounting for inflation...

 

[Panos]

Sorry, missed this due to the Turing Turmoil. I can't fault your persistence

To summarise then, your card (with a higher TDP than a ref 64) is not undervolted by you or Wattman, boosts and maintains decent clocks and uses 176W at 100% usage equalling a 1080 ref card power wise. If something sounds too good to be true................

There's a saying round these parts, "There's a Rabbit Off" and that certainly seems to be the case here. I'd say it's the power measuring that's the issue. Software power measuring isn't the most accurate or reliable.

Have a look at the Vega 64 discussion. Last night has a session to help a member maintain 1600 at the lowest possible power.
I had to run constantly heaven to be able to try settings. I have HWinfo on my screenshots, with full detailed power consumption per indicator.
True "undervolting" there, but some amazing results

 

[Tom|Nbk]

I don't think anyone who is considering one of the new cards should even give that much thought to Ray Tracing, the real question is whether the card will be a good upgrade on what they already have and whether it is worth the cost.

Exactly this card is basically pascal with Ray Tracing

I respect nvidia pushing out new ideas and tech I do! But it's not for me, I've been suckered into new tech releases before and been burnt

 

[Born_2_Kill_83]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Performance Previewed – Delivers Well Over 100 FPS at 4K Resolution and Ultra Settings in AAA Games, Ray Tracing Performance Detailed

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-performance-preview-4k-100-fps/

Ignore this every-one it's good news bound to be made up!

Can I just snip to say, this +1.

i) We know that ray tracing is computationally very intensive

ii) We don't have anything solid on the performance, just one video recorded third hand with no confirmation on settings used

People are being berated for preordering based on no info, but preorders can be canceled with an email or phone call. Cynicism based on nothing confounded at all, however, is far dumber.

Despite the fact the presentation didn't necessarily go about it in the right away, real-time raytracing is, in fact, a very big deal. Yes, the cards are expensive, but that shouldn't detract from what NVIDIA is trying to achieve here. For all the derogatory comments regarding their ethics, we're getting results. In this case, maybe for the long game - but it's a start. I'm not invested in non realtime rendering, but if you have even the most basic understanding of what NVIDIA is showing here, you should be able to appreciate it. If you (the royal you) are letting the prices detract from the significance of what might be possible, then you're nothing but noise right now repeating in and endless cycle every single generation. The market *will* crash, rest assured of that. There is a cap, and I think we're pretty much there now.

No it isn't the logical conclusion - it is just crap. Many of the media present at the Tomb Radar demo made it very clear that they were told this was an unpolished, very early build - but most people in this thread who have one goal (to fuel negativity) completely failed to include that part in their comments. Now the devs have responded formally stating what most of the people present already stated - so there is no more confusion.

Agree 100%

ATM I am not getting a 2080 Ti for reasons you already know.

The way I look at it is if I had a 1080 Ti or Titan Xp as my main gaming card I would definitely be getting 1 or even 2 of the 2080 Ti cards for the reasons below.

1. It is going to be faster than anything in the Pascal lineup by at least 15% to 20%.

2. It is cheaper than a Titan Xp, if anyone can justify spending £1149 on a Titan then a FE 2080 Ti at £1099 can also be justified.

3. Ray Tracing is a nice little bonus if it works well but even if it does not the 2080 Ti is still a good upgrade over Pascal.

4. As you point out once the reviews are available you still have the option to cancel.

This is only my reasoning and PCs are my main hobby if my priorities were elsewhere I would find it difficult to justify the cost of these new cards as for most people there are other things more important in life.

Also my reason's

 

[don531]

These threads are like the Brexit argument....

 

[Born_2_Kill_83]

Seriously though, when can we expect some benchmarks. Are they going to hold back drivers and people have the cards already?

 

[Boot_Loop]

I don't think anyone who is considering one of the new cards should even give that much thought to Ray Tracing, the real question is whether the card will be a good upgrade on what they already have and whether it is worth the cost.

Well the Ray Tracing marketing has got to a few in this thread already. It's something that they've been aware of for 1 week now probably. Apparently Turing is going to turn the industry on its head with RT capability that tanks performance in games run at.....1080p resolution.

 

[Kaapstad]

Well the Ray Tracing marketing has got to a few in this thread already. It's something that they've been aware of for 1 week now probably. Apparently Turing is going to turn the industry on its head with RT capability that tanks performance in games run at.....1080p resolution.

If RT does not work well in a game there is always the option to turn it off.

 

[B1gbeard]

Well the Ray Tracing marketing has got to a few in this thread already. It's something that they've been aware of for 1 week now probably. Apparently Turing is going to turn the industry on its head with RT capability that tanks performance in games run at.....1080p resolution.

I'm guessing you just ignored what the Tomb Raider devs said about it?