Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

mikedigitales · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:24

jwilliamson47 said:
Could try MM

I'm nowhere near the 1000 posts unfortunately

N19h7m4r3 · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:25

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
It might be divine intervention...or possibly bad net code.

Sadly didn’t save me with the Titan V! They’ll happily still sell that to us haha

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:25

orbitalwalsh said:
really would have liked to see GTX and RTX models . die fully to brim of Cuda cores under GTX and then 80 and 80ti RTX for beautiful rendered gaming .

wondering how gtx 2060/50 will turn out - nice to see if less of a core gap then 1060 > 1070 with less focus on RT cores etc

I do wonder if the GTX2060 would be closer to the RTX2070 if the former is focused on more traditional gaming workloads.

ljt · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:29

orbitalwalsh said:
wondering how gtx 2060/50 will turn out - nice to see if less of a core gap then 1060 > 1070 with less focus on RT cores etc

I predict the 2060 will offer the same performance as a 1070, but cost the same as a 1070 and the same for the 2050, perform like a 1060 and cost the same as a 1060

beany_bot · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:32

ljt said:
I predict the 2060 will offer the same performance as a 1070, but cost the same as a 1070 and the same for the 2050, perform like a 1060 and cost the same as a 1060

If that is the case then that's dire.

orbitalwalsh · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:32

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I do wonder if the GTX2060 would be closer to the RTX2070 if the former is focused on more traditional gaming workloads.

ljt said:
I predict the 2060 will offer the same performance as a 1070, but cost the same as a 1070 and the same for the 2050, perform like a 1060 and cost the same as a 1060

roll on the GT 2030!!!

melmac · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:35

Lokken86 said:
Links to any reviews of 1080 being slower than 980ti?

Think you must have quoted me by accident.

ljt · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:36

beany_bot said:
If that is the case then that's dire.

Well I said that because Nvidia have added hundreds of $ to their 70 and 80 tiers, so why would that change in the rest of the range?

Wasn't there even rumours that the 30/50/60 series won't even have the RTX branding? Possibly even having none of the capabilities of Ray tracing/AI etc?

Panos · 23 Aug 2018 at 13:41

beany_bot said:
So, something not being discussed is how many rays do you get "in game" when you turn it on? I assume nowhere near the levels of the star wars trailer? What if it's like "6". and looks rubbish? I assume more rays the better? (Yet another slider for us to battle with as we move forward).

Ha I see you saw through the Nvidia scamming and all "relative performance"....

a) The RTX8000 presentation Star Wars video, had 200 rays per pixel at 1080p 24fps counting at 10gigarays. Hence you had that quality of video.
b) You can have Ray Tracing at 1 ray per pixel and achieve 4.88Gigarays at 4K 60fps. Something Vega 64 and Pascal cards can do through RadeonRays 2.0 or some custom made software using it's own API. And have real time rendering not rasterized graphics also with the above performance.

b) Or you can have 2 rays per pixel and achieve ~10Gigarays at 4K 60fps.
and so on....

Yet there are people in here expecting the RTX2080Ti @ £1200 have the same performance as the RTX8000 @ £10000.

Everything is "relative", and using Nvidia's own words, of "Relative Shader Performance" presentations about Turing vs Pascal, which many in here take as absolute performance indicators.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:02

orbitalwalsh said:
roll on the GT 2030!!!

We can finally have a low end card owners thread!!

melmac · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:03

Paladine said:
Wow they are forcing you - what scoundrels! Are they there right now with their billy clubs? Did they break one of your fingers and tell you you MUST buy one of the new RTX cards? I would report them if I were you, that must be illegal, surely?

Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. But, it's odd how people have changed their tune when these cards have appeared. You were very aggressive throughout this thread with any suggestion that Nvidia would raise the prices. You said it would be stupid of them, that nobody would spend a £1000 on a GPU. I actually believe that you said you wouldn't pay over £749 or £649 or something like that for the new Ti.

Yet, here you are, first in line buying two 2080Tis. What happened to your limit? Are you not been "forced" to spend nearly double that amount to get the card you said you wouldn't spend £700 to get?

The other thing, is that you and few others have said the pricing is crazy etc. but, yet, are going to buy a card anyway. Nvidia's marketing has plainly worked very well.

ljt said:
Well I said that because Nvidia have added hundreds of $ to their 70 and 80 tiers, so why would that change in the rest of the range?

Wasn't there even rumours that the 30/50/60 series won't even have the RTX branding? Possibly even having none of the capabilities of Ray tracing/AI etc?

I am guessing here, but, I think Nvidia have priced these cards so high to make the remaining Pascal cards more attractive to buyers who have been sitting on the fence for the past couple of years. In a few months time when the pascal cards are gone, and the people willing to pay the early adopters tax on the new cards have dried up. They will drop the prices of the Turing cards down to the current Pascal price levels.

Paladine · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:11

melmac said:
Nobody is forcing anybody to buy anything. But, it's odd how people have changed their tune when these cards have appeared. You were very aggressive throughout this thread with any suggestion that Nvidia would raise the prices. You said it would be stupid of them, that nobody would spend a £1000 on a GPU. I actually believe that you said you wouldn't pay over £749 or £649 or something like that for the new Ti.

Yet, here you are, first in line buying two 2080Tis. What happened to your limit? Are you not been "forced" to spend nearly double that amount to get the card you said you wouldn't spend £700 to get?

The other thing, is that you and few others have said the pricing is crazy etc. but, yet, are going to buy a card anyway. Nvidia's marketing has plainly worked very well.

I said I expected the price to be between 679 and 749 - I never said I wouldn't buy them at a price higher than that (in fact I always stated I intended to buy two - which is exactly what I have done). But my price estimate was based on same technology as Pascal - not a bunch of new cores and new technology. Had they not introduced all this new technology then I still think it would have made no sense for them to price it so high - but they did, we are dealing with things which were unknown a week ago. But as I said, I never set a limit on what I would pay and I did exactly what I said I would do. Would I like the cards to be cheaper? of course I would, I could go buy some nice whisky with the difference - but then I would like my house to be cheaper, my car to be cheaper etc. etc. but I still bought them (and I will probably buy another bottle of Signet anyway).

Also, I am buying the card(s) because I want them not because of the marketing. I could just as easily go and buy 4x 1080Ti and run them in SLI but I don't want to do that, I want to buy the 2080Ti and then I will buy blocks for them and build custom loops in both mine and my wife's PC. I never buy anything because of marketing (I am the antichrist to marketers, I spend my working day battling with marketers and have done for the last decade), I buy things because I want them and I can afford them.

orbitalwalsh · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:21

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
We can finally have a low end card owners thread!!

haha!

i noticed that the Gigabyte windforce was one of the cheapest cards £715 at pre-order launch has gone up to £780, only £10 less then 2.5slot Gaming OC version. have a feeling that it wont be to long before other models follow suit , cheapest ones first. Another Pascal Demand out striping supply price hike ...

look forward to going the 2030 owners club haha

melmac · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:25

Paladine said:
I said I expected the price to be between 679 and 749 - I never said I wouldn't buy them at a price higher than that (in fact I always stated I intended to buy two - which is exactly what I have done). But my price estimate was based on same technology as Pascal - not a bunch of new cores and new technology. Had they not introduced all this new technology then I still think it would have made no sense for them to price it so high - but they did, we are dealing with things which were unknown a week ago. But as I said, I never set a limit on what I would pay and I did exactly what I said I would do. Would I like the cards to be cheaper? of course I would, I could go buy some nice whisky with the difference - but then I would like my house to be cheaper, my car to be cheaper etc. etc. but I still bought them (and I will probably buy another bottle of Signet anyway).

Actually, you said the max you would pay is £700, but that's neither here nor there. Your post just sums up what I said. Nvidia's marketing has worked. You are spending double the amount of money that you said you would based on not very much at all.

It's not a dig at you, or anyone who has decided to purchase, it's just an observation. Nvidia seem to be able to increase their prices release after release and still sell out.

And please, don't compare buying a GPU to a car or a house.

Paladine · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:28

melmac said:
Actually, you said the max you would pay is £700, but that's neither here nor there. Your post just sums up what I said. Nvidia's marketing has worked. You are spending double the amount of money that you said you would based on not very much at all.

It's not a dig at you, or anyone who has decided to purchase, it's just an observation. Nvidia seem to be able to increase their prices release after release and still sell out.

And please, don't compare buying a GPU to a car or a house.

Again, I don't recall ever stating a max I would pay - perhaps you can quote where I did?

Why wouldn't I compare it to buying a car, a house, a horse or anything? I could buy a cheaper house that provides me with a decent life experience, I could buy a cheaper car which still gets me where I need to be when I need to be there - so the purchasing decisions behind all of them are based on the same criteria - what I want as opposed to what I need - so I see no reason to exclude other purchases from the comparison based on the same criteria.

melmac · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:33

B1gbeard said:
Indeed like anything where you buy a product but I meant does the cost of R&D and production and all the other costs reflect the end price (maybe justify was the wrong word). We don't know. Nvidia don't have to justify anything of course.

Well, their profits have been rising year on year so the R&D hasn't affected that. I think the prices we are seeing now are more to do with the large amount of Pascal cards they still had in stock.

Undesirable · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:34

Are all the cards available for pre-order based on the same design (compatible with custom water-cooling)?

Kirby Wurm · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:36

Well a house is essential, for most a car too. Unless your livelihood is related to it no matter which way you cut it a gfx card is not.

orbitalwalsh · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:37

Undesirable said:
Are all the cards available for pre-order based on the same design (compatible with custom water-cooling)?

most are based on reference design , likes of Trio/strix/(amp extreme/aorus - not shown off yet)/ftw will be custom and take a little longer to release

Neutrino101 · 23 Aug 2018 at 14:38

Undesirable said:
Are all the cards available for pre-order based on the same design (compatible with custom water-cooling)?

I am also keen to know what cards the first water blocks will fit. Unfortunately in waiting to find out it looks like they are already sold out of founders edition cards until late October/Mid November!