Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[Shocky-FM]

Unfortunately, he isn't alone and it appears that so many feel they have the right to be able to buy a 2080Ti,

What? That's not what I was saying at all, the price is not even issue, neither did I mention it in the previous post.

If you want to push the discussion in another direction then OK, but don't use my post as an excuse to do so.

 

[StarShock]

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Oh dear. That is a ridiculous and childish approach to any debate 'you don't like it, don't watch it'. The point is its not about my personal dilemma of avoiding watching youtubers I don't like, it's having a duty to call out bulls**t from being disseminated by these reviewers and personalities if it is bulls**t or influenced by ulterior motives. If you can't comprehend why such actions are important in a society, I don't know what to say.

'BBC makes the decision to broadcast hardcore porn on CBBC. StarShocks' response: "You don't like it, don't watch it"'

hmm, not sure that's quite what I was saying, maybe "instead of spreading a false story about CBBC because the stuff they show doesn't appeal, don't watch it"

 

[waspy88]

I don't get all the saltiness...

Nvidia released the Titan X 2 years ago, I got and it had excellent performance over the 1080, and was near enough the same as a 1080ti when it launched much much later. I was annoyed that I couldn't get the 1080ti at the same time as a 1080. Now we have the opportunity to skip the line and get one for the same price as a Titan X.

Why buy a new Nvidia GPU? - Because through driver updates they keep nerfing previous generations.. remember the 780ti / 970 saga with the witcher?

 

[Wrinkly]

Infiltrator demo ran at 4K on GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 Ti.

RTX 2080 Ti is incredible twice faster than GTX 1080 Ti.

That 100% faster than GTX 1080 Ti at 4K, nearly 90 fps 4K. WOW.

DLSS is amazing.

is the frame generated by DLSS exactly the same as a normal super sampled frame, or do we lose some detail due to 'guess work'?

 

[Marine-RX179]

I don't get all the saltiness...

Nvidia released the Titan X 2 years ago, I got and it had excellent performance over the 1080, and was near enough the same as a 1080ti when it launched much much later. I was annoyed that I couldn't get the 1080ti at the same time as a 1080. Now we have the opportunity to skip the line and get one for the same price as a Titan X.

Why buy a new Nvidia GPU? - Because through driver updates they keep nerfing previous generations.. remember the 780ti / 970 saga with the witcher?

So you are saying that people should be happy with paying £1200 for the 2080ti and enjoy its full performance for only 2~3 years, and upgrade again when the next gen 3080ti comes because the 2080ti will get poor driver performance after that, even if Nvidia push the envelope even further and price it at £1500 next gen?

I don't think it's about people being salty, but more about people getting a sane wake-up call and recognising that enough is enough. IMO with this kind of ridiculous pricing, Nvidia deserve all the mocking going their way. It's not the peoples' fault, but Nvidia brought it upon themselves.

Also apparently Nvidia being deceitful with deliberate misleading as always, as the current announced games with "RTX gaming" support majority of them won't even be using Ray-tracing. Apparently the "R" in the RTX doesn't not stand for Ray-tracing; Nvidia never explicitly say or claim it is, but they clearly intend to have the marketing to interpret it as that for their own benefit.

 

[HACO]

I think you are confusing the 1070 with 1080. The 980ti was on par or faster than the 1070. On release the 1080 was around 25-40% faster (game dependent):

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review,1.html

You're probably right! Now that I look back, it's 1070 that was more or less equal to 980 Ti.

 

[beany_bot]

 

[azazl187]

Yes i also picked up on these two gunning for the card without benchmarks.... Shameful and i have unsubscribed to both as a result

 

[dangel]

Nvidia said "here is our new black box for $$$$ and you can preorder one now"

I dont see why I should be hyped and pre order it, when we have no idea about what it can do or not, and if the price is worth it or not
That is not a controversial opinion surely?

So you're not hyped and you're not pre ordering it. OK, I've heard you, but to be blunt - so what? I don't see much for debate here, nor a need to change your mind. However, on the other foot - I have pre ordered a TI - should you change mine? I'm all for opinion and discussion but none of this is going anywhere useful.

That said I can state why I've done what I've done:

- Pre orders can be cancelled: if the card is crap I'm not stuck with it. Even if it turns out to be a piece of crud I can return it post delivery. My risk is negligible.
- I'm rocking two 1080s in SLI. I'd rather not be.
- I skipped the TI (1080) generation - not fast enough as a single card for my needs at 1440p. Didn't want to SLI two of them.
- For me the card is a business expense - so 20% off the (horrific) price tag.
- The old cards (plus water blocks) should make reasonable money.
- I have the disposable income, I don't have kids and frankly, all of this stuff is a waste of cash to someone somewhere.

Apparently the TI's have now sold out - so I'm glad I've got my (no real obligation pre order) in there.

So that's me..

 

[loftie]

is the frame generated by DLSS exactly the same as a normal super sampled frame, or do we lose some detail due to 'guess work'?

This is what I thought when they talked about DLSS. I suspect it's probably been vetted.

 

[beany_bot]

Yes i also picked up on these two gunning for the card without benchmarks.... Shameful and i have unsubscribed to both as a result

They know which side their bread is buttered. They did it last gen too, I unsubscribed then. They are less tech channels and just adverts. I'm not voluntarily sitting watching adverts.

 

[gettothechopper]

So you're not hyped and you're not pre ordering it. OK, I've heard you, but to be blunt - so what? I don't see much for debate here, nor a need to change your mind. However, on the other foot - I have pre ordered a TI - should you change mine? I'm all for opinion and discussion but none of this is going anywhere useful.

That said I can state why I've done what I've done:

- Pre orders can be cancelled: if the card is crap I'm not stuck with it. Even if it turns out to be a piece of crud I can return it post delivery. My risk is negligible.
- I'm rocking two 1080s in SLI. I'd rather not be.
- I skipped the TI (1080) generation - not fast enough as a single card for my needs at 1440p. Didn't want to SLI two of them.
- For me the card is a business expense - so 20% off the (horrific) price tag.
- The old cards (plus water blocks) should make reasonable money.
- I have the disposable income, I don't have kids and frankly, all of this stuff is a waste of cash to someone somewhere.

Apparently the TI's have now sold out - so I'm glad I've got my (no real obligation pre order) in there.

So that's me..

cool

I think there is a bit of a disconnect thats all between people who are hyped to buy a new GPU and dont care what the price or value is and the rest of the market who would never dream of doing that without some FPS stats

I get the risk argument, fair enough, I hate returning things and the faff involved!

Its just a naff marketing method that is the issue, I think NVidia thought the hype alone for new products would carry them to the release date, when it seems that the internet buzz is that a price hike of this size has not yet been justified and that the keynote was a bit of a failure overall, they seem to be trying to get their message back on track now to correct that mistake, perhaps it will be worth the high price but I just think its funny that people part with serious money for a product when they have no idea whatsoever what can or cant do, it could even just be a shiney fan shroud with no gpu inside

edit : until the NDA date (or some more useful information) there isnt much else to discuss!

 

[dreigns]

This is what I thought when they talked about DLSS. I suspect it's probably been vetted.

What they showed was with TAA, I think they used it on the chain gun there would be a bit of a bend and some jagged edges still but with the DLSS it was way better but yes the AI thing has had a lot of training with that demo I would think but remember you can only use it on supported games.

 

[G J]

Youtuber's may or may not be shills for company x or y but dont get it twisted as they do it all for that Youtube/Patreon etc money.

Watch how much some Youtuber's care about something once that ad rev/money dries up.

 

[TheRealDeal]

From adored tv's Video I think performance is going to be hit and miss. In games that have been coded for the shaders to be 50% faster the ti should wipe the floor with anything on the market. In games where this isn't the case it should be around 20% faster than the current ti. If you play a lot of little known Indy games that Nvidia don't throw money at, performance is likely to be disappointing for the money.

The reviews are going to be interesting for sure trying to pick through who's paid off and who's not. Should be able to tell by what games are reviewed and if they changed there usual game suite to suit.

 

[dangel]

cool

I think there is a bit of a disconnect thats all between people who are hyped to buy a new GPU and dont care what the price or value is and the rest of the market who would never dream of doing that without some FPS stats

I get the risk argument, fair enough, I hate returning things and the faff involved!

Its just a naff marketing method that is the issue, I think NVidia thought the hype alone for new products would carry them to the release date, when it seems that the internet buzz is that a price hike of this size has not yet been justified and that the keynote was a bit of a failure overall, they seem to be trying to get their message back on track now to correct that mistake, perhaps it will be worth the high price but I just think its funny that people part with serious money for a product when they have no idea whatsoever what can or cant do, it could even just be a shiney fan shroud with no gpu inside

edit : until the NDA date (or some more useful information) there isnt much else to discuss!

Yeah totally get you - and definitely, NV have fluffed the marketing big time from my perspective here too! Yup, and it is funny - but as I said I don't really have risks (for the reasons above and credit cards being used) but that's a personal decision. Essentially it's down to your values and belief that NV can deliver on the numbers based on track record. As the saying goes something is only worth what people will pay for it. As a man selling a house at the moment this is incredibly disturbing

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

With every other GPU release - YouTubers get sent cards and they run benchmarks and make video reviews.
Where are the video reviews of these cards? Have they not been sent cards? Will they be? What's going on?

From what I gleamed they are incoming- so in a few weeks we will get reviews.

 

[TheRealDeal]

From what I gleamed they are incoming- so in a few weeks we will get reviews.

14th of September I think for reviews. Sure somebody had confirmed this. Maybe get a leak before as well.

 

[JediFragger]

I hope not! As a fellow X34P owner, what sort of FPS are you hitting with the 1080ti?

Tbh man it depends on the gmae. But if I personally was buying soon for my sys and monitor then I'd get the 2080, as their is no way in hell that nVidia would let it be slower than the existing Ti

Also the vRam issue wouldn't bother me, 8GB seems like it'll be fine for a while yet even upto 4k

 

[Reality|Bites]

I've nothing much to say on the matter really, It's too expensive for what it is to just play the same old games and maybe 5 new ones?
So i'm out till prices come back to what I'm willing to pay.
I don't need to argue and try and change other peoples minds do I?