Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

AndreiD · 2 Sep 2018 at 23:14

Most likely cheaper than these, TSMC 7nm is in HVM already and AMD/NVidia 7nm shouldn't be far off (H1 2019 most likely).

AthlonXP1800 · 3 Sep 2018 at 01:55

Panos said:
The relationship of MSRP, Nvidia FE pricing and AIB pricing is "whine"? Yet the majority in here complaining about the pricing?

I am not sure why the majority in there complaining about RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti prices.

When GTX 1080 was launched back in 2016 it was cost around £650 for reference blower cards and £750+ for custom cards there at OCUK, it amazed me nobody complained about the prices! Same thing with GTX 980 Ti and Titan X prices and everybody was fine with these prices.

I wondered what the majority in here had been doing 11 years ago in 2007?

Found the prices table from other forum:

8800 Ultra was launched on 2 May 2007, it was the most expensive GPU ever cost $850 compared to Geforce 8800 GTX cost $600 launched back in November 2006. I remembered bought Gainward Geforce 8800 GTX which used reference design for over £400 from competitor and I was on nvnews.net forum at the time remembered many people on the forum bought custom 8800 GTX and 8800 Ultra cards were fine with high prices and nobody complained about very high dollar price $1000 for custom cards. Cant remembered what 8800 Ultra prices at OCUK was, May 2007 exchange rate was $1.99 and UK VAT was 17.5% probably cost £500 for reference cards and £600+ for custom cards at OCUK.

Imagine if today exchange rate $1.29 and UK 20% VAT were applied in 2007 then Geforce 8800 Ultra would cost £799 for reference cards and £899+ for custom cards so RTX 2080 prices is not that bad.

EastCoastHandle · 3 Sep 2018 at 02:48

Hey everyone can we up our standards on what a leak is and what is NOT a leak.

What is NOT A LEAK?
-Pie Charts
-Bar Graphs
-Manufacture/AIB deckpress boiler points
-Manufacture/AIB PDFs written in vague precentages or estimations
-RANDOM Numbers posted on top/bottom/left/right of games
-Interviews with someone who suppose to be "in the know" saying "It's GRRRREEEAT, Fastest Ever"

So what IS a LEAK?
-A video showing the 2000 series working inside a PC case attached to a monitor/tv showing FPS in a Game (must still be community vetted)
-A video showing a 2000 series working inside a PC case attached to a monitor showing FPS in benchmark (must still be community vetted)
-Possibly a photo of a 2000 series working inside a PC case attached to a monitor showing FPS...(must still be community vetted)

Watch the whole thing, skip ahead the intro.

Now I will say this about the video. IMHO, it's about the closest I've come across that seems to have some sort of possible value I've seen so far.

However, Assetto Corsa Competitizone is using a newer version of the Unreal Engine which is highly optimized for nVidia cards. So I would expect a 1080 TI to provide a FPS just as high.

Yaayuh! · 3 Sep 2018 at 08:33

I refuse to go through this thread and try and find the answer

, but is the 2080Ti the big full cheap (i.e. the Titan) or is there still a larger chip possible?

Rroff · 3 Sep 2018 at 08:35

Rossi~ said:
I refuse to go through this thread and try and find the answer , but is the 2080Ti the big full cheap (i.e. the Titan) or is there still a larger chip possible?

The Titan V is a bigger chip on the same process - but I doubt we will see a GeForce/consumer card at 800+mm2. IIRC the 2080ti is almost but not quite the fully enabled version of the core it uses.

tyler_jrb · 3 Sep 2018 at 09:13

AthlonXP1800 said:
I am not sure why the majority in there complaining about RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti prices.

When GTX 1080 was launched back in 2016 it was cost around £650 for reference blower cards and £750+ for custom cards there at OCUK, it amazed me nobody complained about the prices! Same thing with GTX 980 Ti and Titan X prices and everybody was fine with these prices.

1080’s were between £550 and £650ish on here on launch day. It was only really the liquid cooler AIO cards that cost slightly more. I strictly remember paying £599 for an EVGA founders edition and that was the most expensive founders edition they had up.

The AIB cards were in a similar price range. I think the MSI gaming X was around £650.

Same with the 980Ti’s think I paid under £600 for them on release day.

andybird123 · 3 Sep 2018 at 09:20

Rossi~ said:
I refuse to go through this thread and try and find the answer , but is the 2080Ti the big full cheap (i.e. the Titan) or is there still a larger chip possible?

Rroff said:
The Titan V is a bigger chip on the same process - but I doubt we will see a GeForce/consumer card at 800+mm2. IIRC the 2080ti is almost but not quite the fully enabled version of the core it uses.

Yeah, the full chip is 4608 cores and 384-bit / 12gb memory, the 2080ti is 4352 cores / 352-bit / 11gb, so a Turing Titan could be say 5% faster, if they ever did one

Wrinkly · 3 Sep 2018 at 09:33

AthlonXP1800 said:
I am not sure why the majority in there complaining about RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti prices.

It's down to simple arithmetic.

You can argue that we get something new with the RTX series, but even the Ti can't do full scene ray tracing at 1080p with acceptable frame rates for gaming.

Funky-Melon · 3 Sep 2018 at 10:18

Wrinkly said:
It's down to simple arithmetic.

You can argue that we get something new with the RTX series, but even the Ti can't do full scene ray tracing at 1080p with acceptable frame rates for gaming.

And neither can any of the 20xx cards either it seems

Silent_Scone · 3 Sep 2018 at 10:24

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2222

Look at the comments here. These bottom feeders have been at it for years. You can distill it as much as possible with posturing and self-justification, but the bottom line is you're never going to shake off the moaning even at £700.

EDIT: Waiting on the benchmarks, but I doubt the Ti is worth the 1,049 personally, though.

kevman · 3 Sep 2018 at 11:04

Nv don't have any obligation to offer massive performance increases or affordable prices. All they need to do is keep share holders happy.
Sure low perf increase with high costs will **** off proportion of customer base but if you want top end card there is no alternative atm so you just need to suck it up. All markets go in peaks and troughs. For nv it's peaking atm for consumer it's troughing

Silent_Scone · 3 Sep 2018 at 11:13

One of the comments from 10 years ago in that thread above speaks volumes.

The market adjusts itself and doesn't need political statements from ideological consumers to drive it.

fastboy · 3 Sep 2018 at 11:33

that's very true,but the market would be nothing without consumers,keep pushing out £1k plus cards and your going to make a niche market even smaller..no consumers=no market.

Silent_Scone · 3 Sep 2018 at 11:37

fastboy said:
that's very true,but the market would be nothing without consumers,keep pushing out £1k plus cards and your going to make a niche market even smaller..no consumers=no market.

You're not wrong, which is why I can't see things getting much worse than they are already.

jigger · 3 Sep 2018 at 12:14

bigmike20vt said:
To each their own but I kind of am the opposite I can accept that NV may have been hitting a wall with traditional increases in speed so had to shape things up and that this won't help all games but the price stings for me

I'm not sure Nvidia have hit a wall. Yes the prices are just plain wrong but if the silly prices offered silly performance then the card would at least make some positive impact.

Curlyriff · 3 Sep 2018 at 12:36

AthlonXP1800 said:
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Except if you take the 4,5, 6, 7, 9 & 10 series cards and their prices have been even with inflation within $100 of each other. Then it has jumped by $350 this time around with the 20 series for the same designated card level. That is a massive change and increase over any previous generation.

Unrivaledx21 · 3 Sep 2018 at 14:07

Curlyriff said:
Except if you take the 4,5, 6, 7, 9 & 10 series cards and their prices have been even with inflation within $100 of each other. Then it has jumped by $350 this time around with the 20 series for the same designated card level. That is a massive change and increase over any previous generation.

Higher price with lower performance gains. That is the reality of it that everyone is repeating due to shock. Let's say though that they've increased the performance per core. That DLSS becomes extremely common in both old and new games. At that point we get the performance we had expected from this generation as the card makes use of the RT and Tensor cores. Even then the price is still inflated. In many ways I think we are paying the price of last gen's mining phase. This really is a hit below the belt for us who haven't mined and also skipped Pascal waiting the next gen. The release has been immensely delayed and now the price / performance diminished. Lovely, right? With that said I need a card and I've pre-ordered one. Works for them in the short term, but certainly not the long term as this will not be forgotten by many.

SirPsychoZe0 · 3 Sep 2018 at 15:24

Unrivaledx21 said:
Higher price with lower performance gains. That is the reality of it that everyone is repeating due to shock. Let's say though that they've increased the performance per core. That DLSS becomes extremely common in both old and new games. At that point we get the performance we had expected from this generation as the card makes use of the RT and Tensor cores. Even then the price is still inflated. In many ways I think we are paying the price of last gen's mining phase. This really is a hit below the belt for us who haven't mined and also skipped Pascal waiting the next gen. The release has been immensely delayed and now the price / performance diminished. Lovely, right? With that said I need a card and I've pre-ordered one. Works for them in the short term, but certainly not the long term as this will not be forgotten by many.

I think that's a good point in relation to legacy cost of the recent mining bubble. If the inventory of 1080 Ti was 'normal' for this point in it's life cycle (probably about 300,000 less units...

), it would be interesting to see how this would impact the price points for the 20XX series. It may well have been much more reasonable, with a discount against the 1080 Ti of some £100.

However if Nvidia had followed that path then that's £30m+ lost revenue (mostly profit) based on that one inventory report we had as I refer to above. It's obvious that they're going to reevaluate the normal model here, although not that it makes it right for the consumer to burden.

Simply put, if they can't afford to make the previous generation cheaper, then the new generation has to be more expensive. This is a double edged sword though, because whilst the 20XX series is overpriced, now so is the 1080 Ti as a result of this new approach to pricing. There are therefore no 'good deals' for the high-end consumer (from Nvidia).

LoadsaMoney · 3 Sep 2018 at 17:40

EastCoastHandle said:
Watch the whole thing, skip ahead the intro.

Now I will say this about the video. IMHO, it's about the closest I've come across that seems to have some sort of possible value I've seen so far.

However, Assetto Corsa Competitizone is using a newer version of the Unreal Engine which is highly optimized for nVidia cards. So I would expect a 1080 TI to provide a FPS just as high.

It won't be that high with more than just that car on the track though

Nelly · 3 Sep 2018 at 18:32

Listen to that >> https://youtu.be/RXxPaM5s8PY?t=1342

Tech Deals reckons 300,000 10 series chips were returned to Nvidia and they have a million 10 series GPU's still in inventory. Nvidia are forcing the add-on board partners to take them in order to be allowed allocation of 20 series at launch. So if for example Asus wants 100,000 20 series for launch, they might have to agree to accept 200,000 10 series GPU's that they really don't want and the consolation is Nvidia sell the 20 series at a high price, sell off the 10 series at the normal price by Christmas and by January, February, March prices should come down for the 20 series.