Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[Smffy]

To my knowledge, my phone cost me £99. I haven't changed it for about 6 years.

Remind me again where I left my £1,000 iPhone? I am getting a bit forgetful.

Also it's great that only the Ti and the 2080 shot up in price. Good thing the 2070 didn't, and we're expecting a ~£200 2060.

OH ****** WAIT.


Actually I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who think they've been "forced" to buy a £1,000 iPhone. None whatsoever. They are literally idiots (if they even exist).

Congratulations on being so angry about things you don’t seem to want and not reading what I actually wrote.

 

[FoxEye]

Congratulations on being so angry about things you don’t seem to want and not reading what I actually wrote.

Want at these prices? No. Might have wanted? Sure. The 2080, and even more so the 2070, were both on my radar. Sure the Ti was never going to be for me, I'm happy to give you that one.

Degrees of want and price are (oddly enough) linked.

 

[AndreiD]

I was interested in the 2070, but not too keen on the price. If it's 1080 Ti performance then I might be tempted, but that remains to be seen when benches come out.

 

[Smffy]

Want at these prices? No. Might have wanted? Sure. The 2080, and even more so the 2070, were both on my radar. Sure the Ti was never going to be for me, I'm happy to give you that one.
Degrees of want and price are (oddly enough) linked.

But everyone else that wants to spend their own money as they wish is an idiot. Cool.

I was interested in the 2070, but not too keen on the price. If it's 1080 Ti performance then I might be tempted, but that remains to be seen when benches come out.

Looking unlikely in older titles but has potential in some newer titles optimised for the new features has the potential to be 'close'. Depends what you play, very high FPS titles and lower res the gain is not there to get.

 

[FoxEye]

I was interested in the 2070, but not too keen on the price. If it's 1080 Ti performance then I might be tempted, but that remains to be seen when benches come out.

According to most leaks/made up benchmarks (delete as appropriate), the 2080 is roughly equal to the Ti. The 2070 isn't going to be so close to the 2080, therefore the 2070 likely will be considerably slower than the 1080 Ti.

Sad, but true.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Should have stuck to the 50k in 5 year goal FoxEye

 

[FoxEye]

But everyone else that wants to spend their own money as they wish is an idiot. Cool.

And you think my reading comprehension is bad. Buy a mirror, pal.

Should have stuck to the 50k in 5 year goal FoxEye

Funny you should say that. If I spent enough time to switch careers/seriously put in the overtime to reach that figure, I'd have no time for recreation anyhow

I'd barely have time to benchmark it and put it in their sig. Still, that extra ePeen girth would really motivate me to get up in the morning and work a 100 hour week, I'm sure

And on a more serious note, earning more would not translate into thinking that it was approprate to reward nV's greed. Knowing me I'd still end up boycotting them out of principle. And I like think I know me pretty well.

I think I'd have to be earning truly obscene amounts before the money twisted me sufficiently to not give a crap

 

[opethdisciple]

200 years ago we'd all have been down the mines, and been lucky to reach the ripe old age of 30.

That's not the point. We've had it better in recent years.

The point is that nVidia are artificially inflating the price above and beyond all reasonableness, because (they feel) they can.

It's somewhat disheartening that so many people want to be bent over a barrel. Possibly whilst gazing dreamily at a life-sized poster of Jensen.

Using Ray tracing at 1080p (On a 4k monitor)

 

[ljt]

for me its not so much the high price of the top card,the 2080ti,its the fact that its dragging the other, what used to be decent priced gaming cards we could afford (read 960,1060) prices up towards what the top tier prices were befores,its driving the mid tier cards out of the reach of us mere mortals.

This point seems to have been forgotten about in all the talk of the 2080ti prices etc, and to me it's a much more important point. Yes the top end has gotten beyond ridiculous this new gen, but that's a very very small proportion of the market.

The "more affordable" 70 series, the one that was normally released in the $329 (970) and then $379 (1070) price range, has now shot up to a minimum $499, yet by the looks of the spec will not offer anywhere near the performance against the 1080Ti, like the 970 vs the 780Ti and then the 1070 vs the 980Ti, but they are now charging $499 or $579 if you buy a FE for it.

It will be interesting to see what they chose for the 60 and 50 series, which were normally aimed at people with a less flexible budget, if they start adding $100 to those series it'll be awful as these segments of the market are more susceptible to price increases

 

[FoxEye]

This point seems to have been forgotten about in all the talk of the 2080ti prices etc, and to me it's a much more important point. Yes the top end has gotten beyond ridiculous this new gen, but that's a very very small proportion of the market.

The "more affordable" 70 series, the one that was normally released in the $329 (970) and then $379 (1070) price range, has now shot up to a minimum $499, yet by the looks of the spec will not offer anywhere near the performance against the 1080Ti, like the 970 vs the 780Ti and then the 1070 vs the 980Ti, but they are now charging $499 or $579 if you buy a FE for it.

It will be interesting to see what they chose for the 60 and 50 series, which were normally aimed at people with a less flexible budget, if they start adding $100 to those series it'll be awful as these segments of the market are more susceptible to price increases

I've been saying this at various points.

It makes a mockery of those who say "You were never going to buy." As if the Ti cards are the only cards that have been affected.

Quite a few of us would have bought a 2070 if it had matched/beaten a Ti and cost £400. Even more of us would have bought a 2060 if it matched a 1080 for £280. Loads, in fact.

But the 2070 price of £570-£600 is insane for a mid (not even mid-high) card. And I don't think anyone at this point would bet against the 2060 being £360+. Unless, that is, the barely given any improvement to the xx60 and lower cards, in order to de-value them and push people upwards in the range (also quite likely).

 

[Smffy]

This point seems to have been forgotten about in all the talk of the 2080ti prices etc, and to me it's a much more important point. Yes the top end has gotten beyond ridiculous this new gen, but that's a very very small proportion of the market

Its just much easier for them be really angry about it like this fella...

I'd barely have time to benchmark it and put it in their sig. Still, that extra ePeen girth would really motivate me to get up in the morning and work a 100 hour week, I'm sure

 

[Zeed]

I remember walking uphill four miles in two feet of snow to buy my Riva 2. Indentured myself to a cruel tobacco farmer for two years for it, I did! By the time I got back - after walking back uphill - to the homestead, it wouldn't even play the newest Quake title.

I tell you, these whippersnappers with their expectations for price/performance!

Siet i remember saving up working over whole summer in school for riva TnT and new direct x came out and it was paperweight.

 

[Zeed]

200 years ago we'd all have been down the mines, and been lucky to reach the ripe old age of 30.

That's not the point. We've had it better in recent years.

The point is that nVidia are artificially inflating the price above and beyond all reasonableness, because (they feel) they can.

It's somewhat disheartening that so many people want to be bent over a barrel. Possibly whilst gazing dreamily at a life-sized poster of Jensen.

We had it better than thing called financial crisis hit. Then pound lost value then dolar gained value then brexit.
News flash TIME GOES ON and market changes.

 

[Smffy]

We had it better than thing called financial crisis hit. Then pound lost value then dolar gained value then brexit.
News flash TIME GOES ON and market changes.

But we've had it so much better in recent years ^^ xD

 

[Zeed]

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I just see how things are and that they wont change no matter how much people whine about it on forums. Nv calculated production cost Rage cost and lack of competition to the price of the cards. And If some thing they care that they will sell lets say 120 cards instead of 160 and still make same money they are wrong.
Less cards with higher margin is better for em than more with less margin. Less extra costs like logistics packing ect.

 

[FoxEye]

We had it better than thing called financial crisis hit. Then pound lost value then dolar gained value then brexit.
News flash TIME GOES ON and market changes.

Tell me what Brexit/the Pound has to do with the dollar price of these cards, please?

You're going to simply accept an (almost) doubling of dollar price overnight and call it a "market change", then? Hmm. OK. That's one hell of a market change in the course of 18-24 months. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit whatsover (because $).

 

[Finners]

I'm sure it's been said but I can only hope they plan to release GTX cards and RTX as separate lines and we see smaller die pure gaming cards without ray tracing and Ai to.

Only if to keep PC gaming open to the masses otherwise we will all suffer with less and less games on PC

 

[McGraw]

Nothing artificial about it as that is how capitalism works.

I can understand people being angry with Apple because of how high they price their current generation phones as there is no other choice unless you want to change ecosystem which can be a big hassle for some.
But with GPUs there is a massive range of cards from the 2 chip teams and no lock in.
No one is forced to buy a 75K sports car any more than you are forced to buy a 1k+ GPU.
They are both luxury items with much cheaper models available.

Cars don't jump massively in price from one model to its replacement.

If you bought a £75k sports car and the manufacturer introduced the replacement at a huge jump, buyers would probably go with a rival brand.

It's not unreasonable to be able to stay at the same tier for a realistic and incremental increase each architecture change imo.

As a 70 buyer I feel like I may be forced down a tier should I continue to try to spend the sort of money I want to...no more than £450.

If I had a 1080ti and wanted a 2080ti I would definitely feel that I was being taken advantage of.

I can't realistically go AMD though as I am SFF.

 

[HRL]

Can people just quit the BS and insults about bottom feeders who are too poor to buy a 2080Ti or idiots because they’ve pre-ordered one?

Really don’t understand the mentality of either camp.

I’m a bit pee’d at NV as I’d held off buying a 1080Ti purposely as it was wasn’t quite fit for purpose for my personal requirements. Got a 4K TV this year, wanted a powerful enough card to do it justice. Have had cash put aside to pre-order a 2080Ti as soon as they were announced but NV decided to increase the price from what I expected to be about £750 up to £1250 for a similar type card. Now that’s a whopping increase of 66% from one generation to another and feels a bit like they are taking the pee. That’s not due to Brexit, inflation, exchange rates, or manufacturing costs, that’s just down to plain old greed and price manipulation from NV to clear their old stock.

And before anyone says but they’re a business and they need to make a profit, their last public figures showed record profits already. The price hike on these new cards has nothing to do with a business need to do so, they’ve done it because they don’t give a **** about their customers.

Now unfortunately I still don’t have a card to purchase so I will have to wait and see if they reduce the prices appropriately in a few months time or if AMD can release something competitive.

One thing that won’t be happening though is NV getting me to stump up 66% more than I was expecting to pay. I would probably have caved in if it had been £800-850, if it was powerful enough, but they’re just taking the **** with the pricing currently.

It’s a shame that people are lapping up the pre-orders regardless.

 

[Drollic]

And I thought £600 was bad for my 1080 near launch