It's actually amusing to see the 2080's not selling, this time around people aren't running out to buy it just because its the new nvidia card. People are looking at the price and performance then saying nope. It's a decent upgrade coming from a 1080 or a 980ti, but considering people can get a 1080ti for cheaper it doesn't make a lot of sense unless they're buying intro the whole dlss gimmick along with ray tracing.
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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread
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It's actually amusing to see the 2080's not selling, this time around people aren't running out to buy it just because its the new nvidia card. People are looking at the price and performance then saying nope. It's a decent upgrade coming from a 1080 or a 980ti, but considering people can get a 1080ti for cheaper it doesn't make a lot of sense unless they're buying intro the whole dlss gimmick along with ray tracing.
So I assume you are implying the 2080TI are selling like crazy? if yes, they no chance of a price drop on these. The 2080 nvidia will have to drop the price on, because everyone is just buying second hand card or special deals 1080TI. There are loads of mining 1080TI that are being dumped on the market.
only Issue is that if 2080TI its selling like hot cake's then why is the owners thread so empty?
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only Issue is that if 2080TI its selling like hot cake's then why is the owners thread so empty?
Very hard to get at the RRP
only Issue is that if 2080TI its selling like hot cake's then why is the owners thread so empty?
2080ti is selling....at stupid prices in a lot of cases, but there doesn't seem to be much stock doing the rounds. I seen a few evga ones go for near £1800 on a competitor site the other day. And any cards ocuk have in stock can generally be had cheaper elsewhere. As i said previously in this thread a couple of typhoons in asia is supposed to be behind shipment delays.
2080's must have been shipped in speedboats to outrun the typhoon
Was wondering about that myself, that seems to be the reason on the geforce forums, though it does seem odd that 2080 is very common and ti isn't.
So there is moderate levels of stock, I never said it wasnt gouging
nor was I defending the practice 
Huge stock is in the 1000s in my opinion not low 100s but I dont think many if any retailers have the balls to stock that high, the trend now seems to be to sell in drip feeds for maximum profit per sale.
I bet if the price was at traditional xx80 levels that stock wouldnt even last a day, so 164 is not huge stock.
Now if these cards were say £450 each and 200 sold a day, would the manufacturers be able to keep up with that amount of sales? I reckon no.
Was wondering about that myself, that seems to be the reason on the geforce forums, though it does seem odd that 2080 is very common and ti isn't.
It isn't that there is no stock of the TIs it is just much more relative to supply/demand while they shipped much larger initial amounts of the 2080 which has proved largely unpopular and for good reason - I honestly hope even if the prices get slashed back to something more sensible no one buys the 2080 just to teach nVidia a lesson while I'm honestly less bothered by the TI's price as things stand though they shouldn't really be going north of 1K.
So I assume you are implying the 2080TI are selling like crazy? if yes, they no chance of a price drop on these. The 2080 nvidia will have to drop the price on, because everyone is just buying second hand card or special deals 1080TI. There are loads of mining 1080TI that are being dumped on the market.
only Issue is that if 2080TI its selling like hot cake's then why is the owners thread so empty?
The answer is the supply is very low. Massive yield issues or supply is been held back.
Remember at the 10 series launch I think ocuk were taking deliveries of 10 or so cards at a time every week or so, it was ridiculously low manufacturing output.
So there is moderate levels of stock, I never said it wasnt gouging
Huge stock is in the 1000s in my opinion not low 100s but I dont think many if any retailers have the balls to stock that high, the trend now seems to be to sell in drip feeds for maximum profit per sale.
I bet if the price was at traditional xx80 levels that stock wouldnt even last a day, so 164 is not huge stock.
Now if these cards were say £450 each and 200 sold a day, would the manufacturers be able to keep up with that amount of sales? I reckon no.
Any stock, never mind hundreds, the week after launch is not normal, the 1080 was sold out for months.
I dont remember such a high emphasis on pre orders and no stock been an issue several years back. The whole limited supply trend in PC components started when we had those floods with the HDDs.
But for sure yeah, stock levels of the previous gen vs demand were lower than this gen.
But for sure yeah, stock levels of the previous gen vs demand were lower than this gen.
I was checking some sites the other day, 1 in particular if you hit preorder it would tell you how many cards they were expecting and how long. It was small batches of 3-10 or so cards in upto 18 days for virtually all the brands. If they're coming in with tiny amounts like that it would seem there's a supply issue.
Indeed, you would expect companies of the size of nvidia, asus etc. to be manufacturing something like 10000 cards a day (each so 10k evga, 10k asus etc.) and be able to ship 1k a week or something to the main re-sellers. Something odd is going on with supply, small batches of 3-10 every 18 days is not normal.
If you have say 20 chips per wafer, and the wafer costs 2k, then a 100% yield would give you a cost of £100 per chip. A 10% yield would be 1k per chip. Yield can make or break pricing and ability to supply.
If you have say 20 chips per wafer, and the wafer costs 2k, then a 100% yield would give you a cost of £100 per chip. A 10% yield would be 1k per chip. Yield can make or break pricing and ability to supply.
Not so much yield issues - there is only so fast wafers go through a facility and the TI cores take up a far bigger part of a wafer than GPUs have traditionally - which naturally reduces yields even on a process that is getting great yields percentage wise - I can't be bothered to work it out exactly but for instance with the size and layout of a big Turing core for a failed Turing core you'd probably on average have had 5-6 possibly more out of a possible 9 working mid-range cores.
It is possible they are only doing a limited number of big cores per wafer as well with the rest of the space taken up with smaller cores further reducing the throughput of big cores.
It is possible that the big Turing cores released to GeForce/RTX are salvaged cores that aren't making the grade for industrial/commercial use as well.
So they're making loads of the card that isn't really selling,
Funny thing is - I'd quite happily put down a grand or whatever for a 2080ti if I needed the performance and it really was the top end of what they could really make - but I'd literally rather buy a Vega 64 than spend a penny over £500 for a 2080.
Indeed, so think for example.
It may be the number of industrial rejects is only a trickle, and at the same time nvidia dont want to use fully enabled dies (dies capable of been fully enabled that is) for consumer chips and this decision might be whats limiting supply. So if thats the policy then too high yields of perfect fully enabled chips could be a problem as well.
They're pretty much dud quadro cores aren't they? Pretty amusing that they would prefer to wait for borked cores rather than deactivate sections of cores to make the ti grade.
2080 is a joke, nvidia seem to have banked on this selling because of the gimmick of dlss, and the somewhat more useful feature of ray tracing. But as bfv and tomb raider have shown you need to drastically reduce the res on a TI to make use of RT effects. And that fact doesn't seem to have escaped the notice of many users knowing that the 2080 is going to be borderline pointless for RT effects as it just doesn't have the grunt to do it properly, hence them sitting on store shelves.
I think this has turned into a pretty tragic launch hah - there isn't any shortage of people who'd pay what is a reasonable price for a card in the 2080 position and there isn't any shortage of people who will pay LOL money for a top end card but they've managed to make a horrible experience for people in both camps. Problem is people will still open their wallet though so nVidia themselves probably won't be hugely inconvenienced by it compared to consumers.
They've completely hit the wrong spot for pushing RT especially in this day and age - they need a card around £500-600 that can do 1080p ~60 FPS with hybrid RT and some launch games to go with it even if they have to make a loss this gives room for the market below that to get somewhat usable RT even if they have to make resolution and quality sacrifices - next generation people will snap it up. As it is pretty much nothing below the TI card is in any way relevant for RT this generation never mind next (card) generation implementations of it.
