Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[Gerard]

Nvidia LOVE hair because hair makes the benchmarks high compared to AMD. Don't get me wrong i've got a 1080ti but they do this specifically so that they can make AMD performance TANK for a very minor graphical improvement.
Its always been their way since Crysis 2. And AMD are no saints either.

The hair thing is a stupid gimmick at best, as long as amd have their version and Nvidia their version it'll get used in a handful of games at most. Then they refine it and make a big deal about it again a few years down the line.

If they could come together and make a hair system that works well on both cards it might get more use, but that's not gonna happen. So all it gets used for these days is a gimmick for a new card launch or they pay Devs to put it in their game and make a big deal out of it.

Can't say I've ever played a game and focused on the hair though so meh either way.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Repeat post.

 

[WantoN]

Id love hair 2 but im as bold as. To be honest just want 4k at 130hz max setting most games or i wont be upgrading my 1080 so might have to wait for the 1180ti

This; I actually like good hair in a game, adds to the realism.

My next upgrade will be a FALD 4K/UW 100hz+ monitor, and I’ll want a gpu to match it. If the 1180ti doesn’t pass muster then I’ll just wait longer. Though I’m sure it’ll be a beast and I’ll be buying it.

 

[Random Guy Esq.]

I'm all for more realism in games, but hair isn't where I'd start. General character physics, AI, proper sound etc are far more deserving of extra attention!

 

[bigmike20vt]

I know it's pathetic, don't they know every shaves it nowadays!????

Wasn't tresFX a physics feature made by AMD which was mostly for hair physics? Back in the day it murdered my NV GPU but it ran much better on amd cards.

I thought Nvidia were all about water physics these days?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Wasn't tresFX a physics feature made by AMD which was mostly for hair physics? Back in the day it murdered my NV GPU but it ran much better on amd cards.

I thought Nvidia were all about water physics these days?

I had a GTX660 and TressFX seemed fine?? AFAIK,at launch in the TR reboot,there were some issues,but there was some performance fixes and Nvidia cards were fine:

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/03/20/tomb_raider_video_card_performance_iq_review/4

AFAIK,from reading about TressFX/Purehair and Hairworks,the former is more VRAM intensive and the latter more tessellation intensive.

The hair thing is a stupid gimmick at best, as long as amd have their version and Nvidia their version it'll get used in a handful of games at most. Then they refine it and make a big deal about it again a few years down the line.

If they could come together and make a hair system that works well on both cards it might get more use, but that's not gonna happen. So all it gets used for these days is a gimmick for a new card launch or they pay Devs to put it in their game and make a big deal out of it.

Can't say I've ever played a game and focused on the hair though so meh either way.

One advantage TressFX/Purehair has is that it will run on consoles. Apparently CDPR had their own hair animation system in place for consoles version of The Witcher 3.

 

[willhub]

Guy posted a video on YouTube apparently 1180 on sale in Vietnam

 

[4K8KW10]

I know it's pathetic, don't they know every shaves it nowadays!????

If in corporate environment they forbid you from wearing shorts and exposing your legs, if you are male, this is discrimination.
I wouldn't intend to shave my arms and my legs because of metro corporate culture!

That'll be deemed as discrimination.

 

[Gerard]

Guy posted a video on YouTube apparently 1180 on sale in Vietnam

Link? Or is that the post from the other day with a dodgy looking strix image?

 

[bigmike20vt]

I had a GTX660 and TressFX seemed fine?? AFAIK,at launch in the TR reboot,there were some issues,but there was some performance fixes and Nvidia cards were fine:

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/03/20/tomb_raider_video_card_performance_iq_review/4

AFAIK,from reading about TressFX/Purehair and Hairworks,the former is more VRAM intensive and the latter more tessellation intensive.


One advantage TressFX/Purehair has is that it will run on consoles. Apparently CDPR had their own hair animation system in place for consoles version of The Witcher 3.

that is interesting. perhaps it was a timing thing then, because it WAS Tombraider i had my issues with.... however after seeing my rig tank i turned it off, and only turned it on again when i got a gtx 980 which i assumed just sledgehammered it... however it would seem that performance was fixed after i tried it.

 

[nashathedog]

Well on that front some of the prices charged by retailers over here also have nothing to do with NVidia or AMD, so people moaning about NVidia rising prices or the Vega LC costing £800 is irrelevant as well.

That's part of the issue, Here in the UK both MRP's and currency exchange rates are ignored, so listing prices like these have no real relevance for us in the UK, Maybe I should have read some of the posts leading to yours for some context but I never so that's on me.

I disagree. It is not the graphics card manufacturers fault our currency is not as strong as it was 10-15 years ago. It is also not their fault how much VAT we get changed. It is not their fault retailers here choose to price gauge. Those factors are not in their control and can make a huge difference in the price we pay here. End of the day when companies here buy them in dollars and that is what they cost.

The only reason Vega cost a lot more than rrp was because of demand due to miners. Also we only get so much stock allocation in the UK, OcUK and other retailers knew with such small supply vs demand they could gauge, and that they did.

That was kind of the point I was making, or trying to. Even after mining sales had calmed down pricing was kept artificially high for months in the UK, A Vega 64 was marked up as high as £1100 here at OCUK and this wasn't when there was no stock they had stock available consistently at that time & had done for weeks if not months.

I think you're too daft to own one anyway with that comment, so not something you'll be buying.

Quite right, Thanks for that.

 

[bru]

Sorry but what you’re trying to say is rubbish. 680 was not the high end part nvidia just sat on the 780 as they had no competition. So you see a jump from the 580 to 780 of $150.780ti was just Titan of that gen (all be it with half the memory)

The 780 to 980ti prices stay the same ( top end part with cut down shaders and 1/2 the memory of the Titan).

Mid ranges prices jump from $500 for the 680 to $ 550 for the 980 to $699 for the 1080.

FTFY!

You are missing,that a big change happened from Fermi to Kepler. The top bin large die chips were first reserved for the Titan cards,whereas upto the GTX580 era,the 80 series were the best consumer bins.Also,the flagship Titan cards cost much more than the GTX580,and so did the GTX780TI. AMD,also copied the Titan branding with their Fury and Vega cards,which meant they could have higher pricing tiers.

You also missed the price rise with AMD,they introduced a new tier with the HD6000 series in the HD6900 series,and then the price of their flagships,also rose too. The HD7970 was much more expensive than the HD5870 and HD6970 in USD despite similar chip sizes.

HD5870 $380 - 334MM2(top consumer bin)
HD6970 $370 -389MM2(top consumer bin)
HD7970 $550 -352MM2(top consumer bin)
HD7970GE $500 - 352MM2(top consumer bin)
R9 290X $550 - 438MM2(top consumer bin)
Fury X $650 - 596MM2(top consumer bin)
Vega 64 LC $700 - 486MM2(top consumer bin)


The fact is since the GTX480/GTX580 and HD5870/HD6970 days the top bin consumer cards,have become more and more expensive for each company. Now they use Titan and alternate branding. Before these cards should have been the 80/80TI or 800 series cards of their generation.

All very well saying that these are not the top end parts and that we all feel hard done by because prices have gone up. but the prices I showed indicate that as far as the companies in question are concerned, their mainstream high end consumer parts hasn't really changed that much in price over the last few years. The fact that NVidia now use a lower spec part for their high end consumer chip is irrelevant, just as the fact that AMD use a much less efficient larger sized chip is also irrelevant. The fact remains that the cost to us the consumer, on the parts that NVidia and AMD consider to be high end consumer parts, just like the 1180 and then 1180ti will be hasn't really changed that much over the years.

 

[willhub]

Link? Or is that the post from the other day with a dodgy looking strix image?

It might have been, I'll try to find the video tonight and link it.

 

[Rezident]

Will never be priced at £1,000 and £1,500, what are people smoking.

But if Nvidia 'leak' a story that it's going to cost 1,400 and then it only ends up costing 800-900 then you will feel better about it and buy one! Trust me it works...

 

[Bazzards]

I understand what you are saying, however my days of spending north of £600 for GPU'S is over I think.

 

[TNA]

That's part of the issue, Here in the UK both MRP's and currency exchange rates are ignored, so listing prices like these have no real relevance for us in the UK, Maybe I should have read some of the posts leading to yours for some context but I never so that's on me.



That was kind of the point I was making, or trying to. Even after mining sales had calmed down pricing was kept artificially high for months in the UK, A Vega 64 was marked up as high as £1100 here at OCUK and this wasn't when there was no stock they had stock available consistently at that time & had done for weeks if not months.



Quite right, Thanks for that.

Reading your post I thought you was blaming AMD/Nvidia for that.

Most people do not understand or choose to ignore the things I mentioned in my post and just want to look at UK pricing and blame either AMD or Nvidia. But end of the day as long as they are selling them to retailers for the prices they say they are in dollars, then we cannot blame them for increased prices here in the UK.

Therefor as far as I am concerned, when the 1170 and 1180 come out soon, we need to look at how much they have increased in price in dollars and then we will know if prices have gone up or not.

I will probably just buy an Founder Edition (milk’em edition) asap directly from nvidia on release, so the price should be similar to the dollar cost converted into pounds, plus vat and shipping. At least I hope so anyway.

But if Nvidia 'leak' a story that it's going to cost 1,400 and then it only ends up costing 800-900 then you will feel better about it and buy one! Trust me it works...

That is what comes to my mind every time these silly articles come out before launch. People actually give credibility to such tripe by posting them here and taking them seriously. Then when the actual price comes out they act like it is cheap and a great deal when in reality it is either the same as last time or more expensive.

 

[scubes]

I’d like to think they would be £550 for the 1180 and £350 for the 1170 I’d they are more I’m not upgrading just to fill nvidia large pockets.....

 

[AMDPower]

I’d like to think they would be £550 for the 1180 and £350 for the 1170 I’d they are more I’m not upgrading just to fill nvidia large pockets.....

You should add another £100-£150 to those prices and that is a realistic price and would be lucky even if we get them at £450-£500 for 1170 and £699 for the £1180. With such a high demand by miners we are going to get royally shafted. Untill AMD can step up and create a competing product we are in for this price gouging by shops. I dont think its even NVIDA any more, they set a RRP but shops are adding extra to that given low supply and high demand.

 

[Daftbrown]

Much as the price of flagship smartphones steadily rises each year, the GPU vendors will price each iteration according to what people are willing to pay...

I can't see Nvidia doing anyone any favours when it comes to releasing these. It's been that long since the 1080ti was released and, with no current competition in pure performance terms from AMD, they can hear you all clamouring and salivating with your wallets out and will price accordingly...

Or maybe I'm just a cynic

 

[TNA]

You should add another £100-£150 to those prices and that is a realistic price and would be lucky even if we get them at £450-£500 for 1170 and £699 for the £1180. With such a high demand by miners we are going to get royally shafted. Untill AMD can step up and create a competing product we are in for this price gouging by shops. I dont think its even NVIDA any more, they set a RRP but shops are adding extra to that given low supply and high demand.

High demand by miners? Maybe 6 months ago. With more and more ASIC’s and FPGA cards becoming available and mining revenues crashing down severely, not many will be rushing to buy these unless they offer a huge increase in mining hashing power, which is highly unlikely.