Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

[AthlonXP1800]

The original Voodoo card was ~$550 in today's money and apparently dropped by 33% after less than a year.

It was under £450 in today's money.


Hmm no.​

Strange how your post about "money v performance" doesn't mention money anywhere.

Over the last 2 days I was busy compiled my graphic cards list with old prices and today prices at http://www.in2013dollars.com/UK-inflation

1995 VideoLogic GrafixStar 400 S3 Trio64 2MB £49.99 [2018 today price £93.34]
1996 ORCHID Righteous 3D 3dfx Voodoo 1 4MB £249.99 [2018 today price £455.77]
1998 Diamond 3dfx Voodoo Banshee 16MB £159.99 [2018 today price £453.97]
2000 3dfx Voodoo 5 5500 64MB £249.99 [2018 today price £408.69]
2002 Creative Geforce 4 Ti 4600 128MB £299.99 [2018 today price £473.99]
2003 Leadtek Geforce FX 5900 Ultra 128MB £373.10 [2018 today price £572.94]
2004 BFG Geforce 6800 GT 256MB (Died & RMAed for replacement) imported from USA £249.99 [2018 today price £372.79]
2004 Point of View Geforce 6600 GT 128MB (Sold after received 6800 GT RMA from BFG) £129.99 [2018 today price £193.84]
2005 BFG Geforce 7800 GTX 256MB £399.99 [2018 today price £580.08]
2006 BFG Geforce 7900 GTX 512MB £359.99 [2018 today price £505.91]
2006 Gainward Geforce 8800 GTX 768MB £432.37 [2018 today price £607.63]
2008 Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 512MB £189.99 (Worst driver & very poor games performance RMAed & refunded) [2018 today price £246.21]
2008 BFG Geforce GTX 260 OC 896MB £259.99 [2018 today price £336.92]
2010 EVGA Geforce GTX 470 SC 1280MB *Free Steam game Mafia 2 bundle worth £29.99* = £328.66 [2018 today price £409.30]
2012 EVGA Geforce GTX 670 SC 4GB *Free Steam game Metro 2033 bundle worth £29.99* = £401.61 (Died & Advanced RMAed for replacement) [2018 today price £460.61]
2014 MSI Geforce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB (Died from H80i AIO Cooler leak & RMAed to Corsair for refund) £279.95 [2018 today price £304.42]
2015 MSI Geforce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB £265.99 [2018 today price £286.40]
2016 MSI Geforce GTX 1070 Gaming X 8GB £428.99 [2018 today price £454.19]
2018 MSI Geforce RTX 2080 Gaming X 8GB *Free $20 Steam Wallet Code & Left review for extra free $10 Steam Wallet Code bundle worth £23.29 & free MSI GH70 USB Headset bundle worth £99.99 & free Battlefield V Standard Edition game bundle worth £54.95 & 1.5% cashback £11.09* = £550.65

2014 felt like very long time ago and I thought I bought GTX 970 from OCUK for £379.95 but when I logged in OCUK checked orders histories dated back to 2012 found GTX 970 invoice wow I cant believed my eye it costed me £279.95 in 2014. Had fantastic Black Friday deal grabbed MSI Geforce RTX 2080 Ti with free bundles made the card value worth £550.65 which is cheaper than some 1080 Ti models like MSI 1080 Ti Gaming cost £899, Inno3D Geforce GTX 1080 iChill Air Boss X4 £599 with no free bundles and ever cheaper than some very expensive RTX 2070 £600+ models. My old Gainward 8800 GTX was the most expensive card in today price £607.63.

I probably will get £250 after sell my old GTX 1070 and push RTX 2080 real value down to £300.65. Not bad. If 7nm come in 2019, I can sell RTX 2080 probably at £500 with £200 profit.

 

[kevman]

2018 MSI Geforce RTX 2080 Gaming X 8GB *Free $20 Steam Wallet Code & Left review for extra free $10 Steam Wallet Code bundle worth £23.29 & free MSI GH70 USB Headset bundle worth £99.99 & free Battlefield V Standard Edition game bundle worth £54.95 & 1.5% cashback £11.09* = £550.65

Impressive list and looks like you got a good deal on the 2080 but minusing cashback, headphones games from the price is not really a fair comparison with older cards as you probably bought them on release or soon after.

The reason you got such a good deal is that it is a few months down the line and the 2080s are not shifting.

 

[opethdisciple]

What's peoples thoughts on the Palit 2080 Gaming Pro OC?

Only two fans. Does it run hot and noisy?

Maybe @Gibbo has some thoughts.

Thanks

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And if I did upgrade I will need a new PSU. What's people recommendations for the rig in sig plus a 2080?

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Someone needs to talk me out of this. RT is not ready yet for prime time. Buying a 2080 will only allow me to use RT at low anyway. So what's the point?

My 1080 is still doing the job. BFV is a little hitchy... but I suspect it's the game not my PC being underpowered.

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In Feb when Metro Exodus launches my mind could be changed tho.

See I did this with my 970. I soldiered on with it for 2.5 years and only bought a 1080 last year. Right at the end of it's release cycle. Now I might be doing the same mistake again. Waiting it out buying at the end of the release cycle and then finding it gets replaced pretty soon.

Where as you buy now you might end up with two years before it gets replaced.

 

[melmac]

What's peoples thoughts on the Palit 2080 Gaming Pro OC?

Only two fans. Does it run hot and noisy?

Maybe @Gibbo has some thoughts.

Thanks

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And if I did upgrade I will need a new PSU. What's people recommendations for the rig in sig plus a 2080?

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Someone needs to talk me out of this. RT is not ready yet for prime time. Buying a 2080 will only allow me to use RT at low anyway. So what's the point?

My 1080 is still doing the job. BFV is a little hitchy... but I suspect it's the game not my PC being underpowered.

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In Feb when Metro Exodus launches my mind could be changed tho.

See I did this with my 970. I soldiered on with it for 2.5 years and only bought a 1080 last year. Right at the end of it's release cycle. Now I might be doing the same mistake again. Waiting it out buying at the end of the release cycle and then finding it gets replaced pretty soon.

Where as you buy now you might end up with two years before it gets replaced.

Turing is a stop gap until 7nm appears. I certainly wouldn't buy one, their resale value is going to be very poor because the RT performance is so bad. The very thing that makes them so expensive to make is what's going to kill their resale prices. Who will buy these for their RT performance when the 7nm cards appear?

In case you missed it, the Metro Exodus developers hope to have their game running at 60 fps at 1080p with Ray Tracing turned on when it's released. It will probably run a lot better than then BFV. It might look amazing, but, is it worth spending a lot of money for one game?

You should probably look through the 25 or games that are coming out using DLSS and/or Ray Tracing. If those games are ones that you are thinking of buying then the 2080 might be worth getting. It's still an expensive upgrade for questionable RT performance and totally unknown DLSS performance. Might be worth waiting at least until DLSS appears in a few games.

But, my advice would be, If you are happy enough with your gaming at the moment I would hold onto what you have. Upgrade when the 7nm cards appear.

 

[chaparral]

What's peoples thoughts on the Palit 2080 Gaming Pro OC?

Only two fans. Does it run hot and noisy?

Maybe @Gibbo has some thoughts.

Thanks.

I was looking up some youtube reviews of this card last night as my local shop had one for £800

The cooler nowhere near as good or quiet as the better coolers but then this card is about £300 to £400 cheaper then the ones with the better coolers

 

[opethdisciple]

Turing is a stop gap until 7nm appears. I certainly wouldn't buy one, their resale value is going to be very poor because the RT performance is so bad. The very thing that makes them so expensive to make is what's going to kill their resale prices. Who will buy these for their RT performance when the 7nm cards appear?

In case you missed it, the Metro Exodus developers hope to have their game running at 60 fps at 1080p with Ray Tracing turned on when it's released. It will probably run a lot better than then BFV. It might look amazing, but, is it worth spending a lot of money for one game?

You should probably look through the 25 or games that are coming out using DLSS and/or Ray Tracing. If those games are ones that you are thinking of buying then the 2080 might be worth getting. It's still an expensive upgrade for questionable RT performance and totally unknown DLSS performance. Might be worth waiting at least until DLSS appears in a few games.

But, my advice would be, If you are happy enough with your gaming at the moment I would hold onto what you have. Upgrade when the 7nm cards appear.

Yes.I don't think I will buy it. RT is not ready for prime time yet on these cards.

 

[chaparral]

In case you missed it, the Metro Exodus developers hope to have their game running at 60 fps at 1080p with Ray Tracing turned on when it's released. It will probably run a lot better than then BFV. It might look amazing, but, is it worth spending a lot of money for one game?

And also what person pays over £1000 for a GPU to use on a 1080p display

The monitor (Dell 2405FPW) i was using for gaming 12 years ago had a higher Resolution then that...

 

[Gerard]

I've toyed around with 2 of these cards over the last week or 2, the gigabyte windforce ti oc and the strix ti oc. The strix being the better of the 2 in terms of build quality, temps and acoustics. I just don't see how they're really an upgrade for anyone on a 1080ti or titan x, theres a reasonable fps bump but factor in the high price and it just doesn't seem worthwhile.

 

[stooeh]

Over the last 2 days I was busy compiled my graphic cards list with old prices and today prices at http://www.in2013dollars.com/UK-inflation

1998 Diamond 3dfx Voodoo Banshee 16MB £159.99 [2018 today price £453.97]

I have always regretted getting the Banshee, I should have gotten a Voodoo 2 as I played a lot of Quake!

I upgraded to a Geforce 256 SDR not long after they released fwiw (double the quake 3 framerates!)

 

[chrcoluk]

I have started using nvidia multi display power saver on my 1080ti.

My gtx 970 was modded in bios to have 400+ mhz idle 2d clocks.
My palit gtx 1070 had 300mhz idle 2d clocks at stock (I assume palit configured that way).
The auros gtx 1080ti has stock nvidia 135mhz idle clocks which causes the card to be super eager to ramp up to 3d clocks in 2d apps like chrome.

In terms of heat and power consumption, nvidia cards can go from 135 to 300 and to 600 whilst still only at 10-11% power load, and barely any change in temps, for this reason 600mhz is a great 2d clock speed. I feel nvidia have really misconfigured their cards for 2d operation. But when you jump to 1300+mhz, the power load goes from 10 to 30% and temps noticeably go up. Even idle 1300mhz is much hotter and uses much more power than say 20% load at 600mhz. I expect the cards are programmed like this because a GT 1030, probably would not have the compute power to play say a 4k youtube video at 2d clocks. Likewise with older generation cards. But I feel a 75 watt power consumption in a browser is very inefficient. Simply typing replies to forum posts on the OCUK forum was making my card go up to 3d clocks.

So I now run nvidia multi display power saver and configured to 30% usage for ramp up and works perfect. For those who agree with me on power/heat in browser, its a good app.

 

[opethdisciple]

So what do we know about the next gen manufacturing nodes Nvidia might use?

Are they shrinking? What's the guestimate time frame?

I'm trying to deduce expected life expectancy for the 2000 series.

Are we expecting a two year shelf life for the 2000 series like the 1000 series or do we think these will be replaced sometime next year?

 

[melmac]

I am going to guess that they are going to have the 7nm cards out sometime next year. Probably around September/October. AMD will have it's 7nm consumer cards out for the midrange by then and even though they are only mid range cards, Nvidia won't want to leave it too long to get their 7nm parts out.

 

[jigger]

So what do we know about the next gen manufacturing nodes Nvidia might use?

Are they shrinking? What's the guestimate time frame?

I'm trying to deduce expected life expectancy for the 2000 series.

Are we expecting a two year shelf life for the 2000 series like the 1000 series or do we think these will be replaced sometime next year?

Everything points to AMD being ready with 7nm CPU, APU and graphics so I'd expect Nvidia to be even more ready to drop16nm from working with TSMC for a much longer time frame.

 

[bru]

So what do we know about the next gen manufacturing nodes Nvidia might use?

Are they shrinking? What's the guestimate time frame?

I'm trying to deduce expected life expectancy for the 2000 series.

Are we expecting a two year shelf life for the 2000 series like the 1000 series or do we think these will be replaced sometime next year?

That's a good question.

With the 2000 series coming much later than expected, originally many thought (including me) it would have arrived back in march and 7nm heading our way at some point soonish.

I would expect Nvidia's next gen to arrive September/October time next year on 7nm and it will probably be called the 3000 series because NVidia cannot count.

 

[chrcoluk]

I think the 2000 series deffo has a shorter than usual lifespan, its release has been accelerated.

Already we have the 2080ti, 2080 and 2070 all released.

Also not helping its cause is it has a muddy reputation which means nvidia will want to replace it with something else.

 

[melmac]

That's a good question.

With the 2000 series coming much later than expected, originally many thought (including me) it would have arrived back in march and 7nm heading our way at some point soonish.

I would expect Nvidia's next gen to arrive September/October time next year on 7nm and it will probably be called the 3000 series because NVidia cannot count.

It will be called the Nvidia 1.

 

[jigger]

That's a good question.

With the 2000 series coming much later than expected, originally many thought (including me) it would have arrived back in march and 7nm heading our way at some point soonish.

I would expect Nvidia's next gen to arrive September/October time next year on 7nm and it will probably be called the 3000 series because NVidia cannot count.

Isn't that around the time AMD are moving to 7nm+

 

[Gerard]

Those grill addons looks pathetic.

 

[HRL]

Just look like they reduce airflow. What’s the point?

 

[Gerard]

Just look like they reduce airflow. What’s the point?

Dunno, looks dumb to say the least. Almost looks like a chainguard on a motorbike.