Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[Mr Jack]

One of the best recoveries in Europe, what are you on about.

What!? Have a look figures, man! When the coalition took the reigns we were grown at 1%/quarter. Osborne rapidly tanked that into three long years of near stagnation before the economy finally struggled back to growing at about the level it was when he took over and, at long last - long after the likes of France and Germany - our economy clawed its way back to pre-crash GDP levels. Even then, we're still well down on GDP per capita productivity.

That we're finally out-performing some of Europe doesn't reverse the long years of stagnation brought about by coalition policies.

What kind of miracle recovery were you expecting.

The kind of normal recovery we were on target before until the coalition took over.

 

[John40]

Fullfact on the cost (summary: there are no high quality figures but even the high end estimates represent less than 0.15% of the NHS's budget).

Frankly, "Health Tourism" is a immensely minor cost to the NHS and it is simply not worth either the cost to the NHS or the inconvenience to legitimate users to try and do anything about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9970613/Health-tourism-costing-NHS-billions-senior-doctor-claims.html

This consultant surgeon according to you is an outright liar then.

He quoted a junior hospital doctor working close to Heathrow airport who told him: "Every single week, I see people who have been flown in from all over the world with a variety of extremely serious health problems.

“Many of these people had to be wheelchaired on to the plane because they were too unwell to walk on board. We often have our Intensive Therapy Unit full of patients without NHS numbers who are there for weeks or months with no means or intention to pay, which impacts on our resources.”

All lies according to you, all these doctors are simply making it up.

 

[robgmun]

 

[Crpwned]

I think it's a good article about how UKIP are not a bunch of monsters/BNP/Nazis that some like to make out on here. And how people on the left of center have a misconception about them, which his was blown out of the water.

I'd say it's more an article about a select few UKIP representatives being ok in a public forum where I suspect they would be a lot more mindful about how they spoke and came across.
It doesn't sound like he was fully convinced by them and admits they still have a long way to go before they can shake the view that the public have of them.

Which one? This thread moves fairly fast and i thought i gave him 11 polices when he only asked for 5, he hasn't said anything about what he thought of them. Or more likely he's blowing hot wind and not genuinely interested in UK politics because he's a New Zelander now. Honestly he talks so much dirvel most of the time i kinda tune him out, but if you make the same point i'd be happy to talk

I was referring to post 269 which is a response to your select experiences in a GP.

 

[FoxEye]

Nobody thinks the BBC is unbiased. It's had its own political agenda for years.

 

[bloodiedathame]

Please can you add a 'none of the above' option to the poll.

 

[Schlong&Stable]

What!? Have a look figures, man! When the coalition took the reigns we were grown at 1%/quarter. Osborne rapidly tanked that into three long years of near stagnation before the economy finally struggled back to growing at about the level it was when he took over and, at long last - long after the likes of France and Germany - our economy clawed its way back to pre-crash GDP levels. Even then, we're still well down on GDP per capita productivity.

That we're finally out-performing some of Europe doesn't reverse the long years of stagnation brought about by coalition policies.

1. Government policy doesn't impact the economy overnight, it takes a couple of years for the effects to be felt. Especially as many of their policies were not enacted in the first year. What you saw in 2010-2012 had far more to do with the Labour government than the Coalition.

2. Europe was in crisis in 2010-2012 with the threat of Greece et al exiting the Euro. Given that Europe is our primary trading partner, it was inevitable we'd stagnate in that period full stop.

 

[scorza]

1. Government policy doesn't impact the economy overnight, it takes a couple of years for the effects to be felt. Especially as many of their policies were not enacted in the first year. What you saw in 2010-2012 had far more to do with the Labour government than the Coalition.

That's not quite true, the nature of investment means that it takes time for the full effects to make an impact e.g. you borrow £1bn to invest in a new road but then spend that money over 56 months and then you have a new road people can drive on which brings about its own benefits. However most of the effects of cuts are felt more or less instantly because it takes money out of people's and organisation's pockets immediately - contracts get cancelled, people lose their jobs, pay freezes etc.

 

[ci_newman]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9970613/Health-tourism-costing-NHS-billions-senior-doctor-claims.html

This consultant surgeon according to you is an outright liar then.




All lies according to you, all these doctors are simply making it up.

No, he's saying that health tourism is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall NHS spending - he didn't say it didn't take place.

It's hardly surprising that the worst effects of health tourism are felt in Hospitals nearest the biggest hub airport in the UK.

 

[John40]

No, he's saying that health tourism is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall NHS spending - he didn't say it didn't take place.

It's hardly surprising that the worst effects of health tourism are felt in Hospitals nearest the biggest hub airport in the UK.

No he didn't, he is saying that consultant is a liar because the doctor is saying from personal experience that health tourism is not a drop in the ocean it's massively understated because of political expediency.

 

[Mr Jack]

This consultant surgeon according to you is an outright liar then.

All lies according to you, all these doctors are simply making it up.

I have no idea whether the journalist is reporting truth or not. I'm also pretty dis-interested: anecdote is little more than useless for telling what is going on in the world. If you want to understand issues like this you need data and the best data we have states, as I linked, that the problem is very small.

 

[John40]

I have no idea whether the journalist is reporting truth or not. I'm also pretty dis-interested: anecdote is little more than useless for telling what is going on in the world. If you want to understand issues like this you need data and the best data we have states, as I linked, that the problem is very small.

Surely a consultant surgeon on the ground seeing it every day is far more believable than a website that doesn't prove anything whatsoever as there is no data that is irrefutable.
The Govt. deliberately doesn't keep data for obvious reasons because it's embarrassing.

There are no accurate stats that can be relied upon but people who are seeing it every day are far more likely to have their finger on the pulse.

That website you keep going on about has estimates no more, It in no way can be deemed accurate.

 

[£15]

As Labour does, socialists tend to think there's a money tree that never stops and we can borrow without ever having to worry about defaulting.

'Worse than Labour: George Osborne continually harps on about how Labour would threaten his "economic recovery" but what he doesn't tell you is that in just four years he's created more new debt than every single Labour government in history combined!'

Is this wrong?

Source

 

[Schlong&Stable]

That's not quite true, the nature of investment means that it takes time for the full effects to make an impact e.g. you borrow £1bn to invest in a new road but then spend that money over 56 months and then you have a new road people can drive on which brings about its own benefits. However most of the effects of cuts are felt more or less instantly because it takes money out of people's and organisation's pockets immediately - contracts get cancelled, people lose their jobs, pay freezes etc.

True that cuts can have an immediate impact, but do you have any evidence that was the case and that it was the cause of the stagnation.

 

[scorza]

True that cuts can have an immediate impact, but do you have any evidence that was the case and that it was the cause of the stagnation.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ne-2010-spending-cuts-shrank-uk-gdp-5-percent

A NIESR report says so.

 

[Kimi]

Interesting poll results.

Is this them demographic of Ocuk? or a true reflection of the general public

 

[scorza]

Just watching Daily Politics, apparently Trade Unions in Rotherham have blockaded the UKIP offices there preventing Farage from visiting there. Strange that the Unions are so concerned about this but did nothing about the child abuse that went on there. No wonder people don't think Labour and the Trades Union don't represent ordinary working people any more.

 

[robgmun]

Just watching Daily Politics, apparently Trade Unions in Rotherham have blockaded the UKIP offices there preventing Farage from visiting there. Strange that the Unions are so concerned about this but did nothing about the child abuse that went on there. No wonder people don't think Labour and the Trades Union don't represent ordinary working people any more.

more than anyone else The Unions fear people standing up to them

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

'Worse than Labour: George Osborne continually harps on about how Labour would threaten his "economic recovery" but what he doesn't tell you is that in just four years he's created more new debt than every single Labour government in history combined!'

Is this wrong?

Source

This sort of post is exactly why there should be some kind of test before people are allowed to vote

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Interesting stats on GDP per head

GDP per capita (current USD) 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
United States of America 46,760 45,305 46,612 48,112 49,641
United Kingdom 43,147 35,331 36,238 38,974 39,090

Source:Helgi Library,[26] World Bank

So approx 20% fall back in 2009 then a recovery of just over 10%, where as US had a much smaller fall but a similar recovery

Above was ripped from wikipedia so I am assuming its ok, its got source