Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%

  • Total voters
    684
  • Poll closed .
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South Thanet, like the rest of UKIP's primary target seats, has below national average immigration levels. It's positively perverse how hostility to immigration is highest in the areas least affected by it.


it mite be below national average levels thats without illegals if you add to the fact that thanet is a deprived area that was already struggling with unemployment and loss of Infrastructure due to the closure of the port and most recently the airport the biggest employer in the area pfizer closing down that left nearly 2.5k people out of work plus the 4k people on benefit the population is around 130k so this really affects the area there is 4 main towns in thanet and 2 of them are in the top 7 most deprived seaside town in the uk. people are going to be hostile to the immigrants when you see them getting out of there bmw's and audi's with there new £100 trainers on
while we are working trying to support our familys most on the minimum wage some even having to resort to using food banks to feed there kids and there here living it up with flash cars free housing its a joke
 
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We've been through this already in this thread. Do we really have to do it again?

I'll summarise: it should be obvious amount of demand created by a new worker must be approximately equal to the amount of supply they consume. Otherwise the economy can't add up. Which is exactly what the evidence shows: more immigration doesn't increase unemployment for native workers.

Your notion of a finite number of jobs completely ignores the reality of how economies function. More workers create more jobs.

tell this to the taxi drivers in thanet that have been run out by the immigrants taking all there work there are more foreign taxi drivers now then english drivers
 
Are you really claiming that there are an infinite number of jobs in the economy?

No, I'm claiming that on average workers create jobs at the same rate they take them. This isn't a surprising notion; population growth is not accompanied by a fall in employment and smaller countries don't have lower unemployment than large countries. If you think about it, it must be true on the large scale since economies can only ever produce as much value as they can consume because any other production is wasted.

Since immigration is clearly finite, no infinity is needed.

I just don't trust these academic studies on immigration - they have all the hallmarks of propaganda; often looking at very specific things in a very specific way and ignoring the holistic effects.

As always: you are entitled to your own opinions; you are not entitled to your own facts.
 
Maybe the effect of a relatively small amount of immigration in places like South Thanet has an exaggerated impact there. I know you like to pretend that things like the laws of Supply and Demand and other inconvenient truths don't apply when it comes to immigration, but common sense would dictate if you have a finite number of jobs, and an increased number of job seekers, then you're also going to have more disappointed people.

There isn't a finite number of jobs though, immigrants increase the number of jobs in proportion, just like what happens with non-immigrants.

And that ignores that even if there is a total shortage of jobs there may be a shortage of suitable workers within certain field for which the immigrants are suitable.
 
We've been through this already in this thread. Do we really have to do it again?

I'll summarise: it should be obvious amount of demand created by a new worker must be approximately equal to the amount of supply they consume. Otherwise the economy can't add up. Which is exactly what the evidence shows: more immigration doesn't increase unemployment for native workers.

Your notion of a finite number of jobs completely ignores the reality of how economies function. More workers create more jobs.

Indeed, if Scorza's model was right then if the UK population went form 50million to 70 million then there would be 20 million more unemployed because some how magically there is no more demand for jobs for some unknown arbitrary reasons.

The reality job creation scales linearly with population. Every person consumes food, lives in accommodation, uses resources, goes shopping, eats out, uses services, pays for entertainment etc.
 
also the influx of immigrants puts strain on our already strained services ie ambulance service police doctors hospitals even thou thanet is below national average immigration levels its making such a big impact on our local services they are nearly at breaking point you just have to go to margate hospital where you will have a 4+ hour wait in a&e because it will be full with immigrants demanding that they see a doctor for minor injurys or problems just because they dont want to wait to see a gp they are just a drain on our very limited resources
 
also the influx of immigrants puts strain on our already strained services ie ambulance service police doctors hospitals even thou thanet is below national average immigration levels its making such a big impact on our local services they are nearly at breaking point you just have to go to margate hospital where you will have a 4+ hour wait in a&e because it will be full with immigrants demanding that they see a doctor for minor injurys or problems just because they dont want to wait to see a gp they are just a drain on our very limited resources

The irony being that the NHS would collapse if it wasn't for foreign workers. For example, 26% of doctors working in the NHS are foreign born.

And don't forget that A&E patient prioritisation isn't done on a first-come, first-basis. It's done on most need so anyone coming in with a minor injury will be at the back of the queue.
 
It looks like there may be another rise in the personal allowance in the budget tomorrow. Someway upside someone described this as good for the poor but, in fact, the primary beneficiaries of these changes are the highest earning households. The benefit rises fairly linearly with decile, and even by percentage it's higher for higher earning households.

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Even with counter-balancing changes to the higher rate threshold, the benefit then accrues primarily to middle to higher-middle income households.

(Source: IFS).
 
but its still putting a strain on the services i was up a&e at christmas time with my 7 year old there was 15 people there 10 of them where immigrants with minor problems most of them could have been sorted by a Pharmacist with over the counter meds or a gp
there was one lady kicking off about waiting they told her she would have to wait a bit longer as the air ambulance had just bought someone in and most of the doctors where dealing with it so she turns round and said well we need food then when the lady said there is a vending machine there or a shop in the entrance she just kicked off and said you bring us food next thing you know there bringing them sandwiches and drinks
its a joke they should be paying to use our services we do by paying tax

its not going to be long and the english will be the minority in this country just google most common baby name in uk and that just tells you something is wrong
 
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You are crapping all over your argument about the language barriers encountered by migrants, and how that is detrimental to the schooling of children in the area, by continuing to barely string words together.
 
Leftwing economics is inherently authoritarian, just because they are socially liberal doesn't mean they don't demand control of property instead.
Are you implying that right with economics isn't authoritarian?.

This should be entertaining.
Are you really claiming that there are an infinite number of jobs in the economy?

I just don't trust these academic studies on immigration - they have all the hallmarks of propaganda; often looking at very specific things in a very specific way and ignoring the holistic effects. They have a terrible track record too - like that infamous study that said 13,000 Poles would come to the UK post 2001. Sure buried in the small print there's an important disclaimer, but it's the headline conclusions that gets used when setting policy.
Are you sure you are not just dismissing them because they don't agree with your bias?.

I agree. But I do feel that if profit is a part of the process then that means there is less money for the service. I all for outsourcing to NPOs and so on...and the problem is also that if you look at the companies that are getting these contracts they are not delivering the services well enough either.
Indeed, working within a field which was once nationalised & is now private I can attest to the hilariously misguided belief that privatisation drives down costs.

Efficiency drives down costs, something which can be achieved within a private or public sector.

The NHS already performs well comparatively to other nations, the issue is a lack of funding (it receives far less per capita than many developed western nations). We can't underfund a service then complain about it while keeping a straight face.
 
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its a joke they should be paying to use our services we do by paying tax

Immigrants pay tax too. In fact, recent immigrants pay more in tax than they receive in services; unlike people born in this country.

its not going to be long and we will be the minority in this country just google most common baby name in uk and that just tells you something is wrong

Who is 'we'? And immigrants make up a lower proportion of the UK population than other wealthy European countries.
 
its not going to be long and we will be the minority in this country just google most common baby name in uk and that just tells you something is wrong
You are aware that position 2-50 of the list of most popular boys names of 2014 are all western.

Have you considered that perhaps it's because the name is overly popular within a certain cultural set?, not that all babies in the UK are called Muhammad?.

Top 10 boys names to give an example

Muhammad
Oliver
Jack
Noah
Jacob
Charlie
Harry
Joshua
James
Ethan
 
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if you are referring to my spelling and grammar ill admit its bad but thats due to my dyslexia and the fact that ive been up since 430am to go to work to provide for my family and pay for the extra Tuition they need that they are not getting at school
 
You are aware that position 2-50 of the list of most popular boys names of 2014 are all western.

Have you considered that perhaps it's because the name is overly popular within a certain cultural set?, not that all babies in the UK are called Muhammad?.

Top 10 boys names to give an example

Muhammad
Oliver
Jack
Noah
Jacob
Charlie
Harry
Joshua
James
Ethan

if you go back to 2005 said name is number 23
if you go back to 1995 its no 545

so your telling me its nothing to do with immigration
 
Immigration is of course adding to it but does it matter that Mohammed is one of the most popular names? The only problem I can see is that when you call out for Mohammed's attention you might have a few others turning round at the same time :D.
 
if you go back to 2005 said name is number 23
if you go back to 1995 its no 545

so your telling me its nothing to do with immigration
Firstly, why would this both you?.

Secondly if everybody in Birmingham randomly decided to call there son Ozzy as a tribute to the rock icon it would be top of the list.

All it's indicative of is a lack of originality in naming children.
 
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