Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[manius]

Who is 'we'? And immigrants make up a lower proportion of the UK population than other wealthy European countries.

we the english the ones whos ancestors gave there lives and built this once great country so the generation to come could strive but looking to the future now i feel sorry and scared for the kids of tomorrow my kids included thats why im trying my hardest to get them a good education so atleast they have half a chance of getting a good job

 

[Castiel]

You are aware that position 2-50 of the list of most popular boys names of 2014 are all western.

Have you considered that perhaps it's because the name is overly popular within a certain cultural set?, not that all babies in the UK are called Muhammad?.

Top 10 boys names to give an example

Muhammad
Oliver
Jack
Noah
Jacob
Charlie
Harry
Joshua
James
Ethan

The top name isn't even Mohammed. You, yourself will know from the following link that the list has serious issues and is flawed. The top name is more likely to be Harry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/muhammad-isnt-uks-most-popular-4726470

 

[Dolph]

I agree. But I do feel that if profit is a part of the process then that means there is less money for the service. I all for outsourcing to NPOs and so on...and the problem is also that if you look at the companies that are getting these contracts they are not delivering the services well enough either.

Profit is a structural driver for efficiency. Poor efficiency also means less money for the actual service.

If you can go, for example, from 20% inefficiency to 10% inefficiency and 5% profit, the service has still gained. Aiming to get 10% efficiency improvement without a structural incentive is unlikely to happen because there is no gain.

 

[Mynight]

we the english the ones whos ancestors gave there lives and built this once great country so the generation to come could strive but looking to the future now i feel sorry and scared for the kids of tomorrow my kids included thats why im trying my hardest to get them a good education so atleast they have half a chance of getting a good job

most of the world has given their lives in order to allow countries like ours to thrive.

I wouldn't be scared I am somewhat partially concerned about Islams growth only due to their lack of indulgence in alcohol. It may hit one of my buisnesses going forward but that's a long way off yet, other than that it doesn't affect me. Competition for jobs is mainly going to come from automation rather than immigration.

Even without immigration getting a solid education is generally the key to a successful career.

I am rather right wing but what you're scared of isn't worth being afraid of mate.

 

[Dolph]

Are you implying that right with economics isn't authoritarian?.

This should be entertaining.

Are you going to argue that a policy of non state intervention beyond rights enforcement is authoritarian?

This should be a catalogue of ignorance and misrepresentation...

 

[Castiel]

Profit is a structural driver for efficiency. Poor efficiency also means less money for the actual service.

If you can go, for example, from 20% inefficiency to 10% inefficiency and 5% profit, the service has still gained. Aiming to get 10% efficiency improvement without a structural incentive is unlikely to happen because there is no gain.

I understand that, however we don't see that very often in regard to NHS services. Also there is no reason why we cannot drive efficiency and greater overall patient provision within a non-profit structure.

It takes reform and political will as well as having an approach that is decided by those with the relevant experience and knowledge across the services themselves.

Also, if private companies have a part to play, I'm not strictly opposed to that...I'm opposed to how it's being instituted right now, with proven failures being again given substantive and lucrative contracts.

 

[elmarko]

Are you going to argue that a policy of non state intervention beyond rights enforcement is authoritarian?

This should be a catalogue of ignorance and misrepresentation...

Yes, because governments are not the only entity with can oppress a population (directly or indirectly).

Coming from your usual herpaderp 'tax is theft' point of view I can see why you think it's the case, but it doesn't stop it being comical.

 

[manius]

The top name isn't even Mohammed. You, yourself will know from the following link that the list has serious issues and is flawed. The top name is more likely to be Harry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/muhammad-isnt-uks-most-popular-4726470

fair point i was going by what i read i stand corrected

but immigration im my area and in others is a big problem and it needs sorting out and thats one of the reasons i think we need a different party to get into power to try something to sort out the mess the other party have got us into

 

[elmarko]

The top name isn't even Mohammed. You, yourself will know from the following link that the list has serious issues and is flawed. The top name is more likely to be Harry.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/muhammad-isnt-uks-most-popular-4726470

Indeed, the choice of aggregation will cause issues - as stated in the article, it's also an aspect of a limited choice of traditional names.

I understand that, however we don't see that very often in regard to NHS services. Also there is no reason why we cannot drive efficiency and greater overall patient provision within a non-profit structure.

It takes reform and political will as well as having an approach that is decided by those with the relevant experience and knowledge across the services themselves.

Also, if private companies have a part to play, I'm not strictly opposed to that...I'm opposed to how it's being instituted right now, with proven failures being again given substantive and lucrative contracts.

Exactly, some aspects are care are not remotely profitable but yield a huge benefit to the recipients in quality of life.

Not every activity is profitable or economically beneficial - but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. The economy works for the population, not the other way around.

We see similar issues related to public transportation, in which some routes which are require in remote areas require subsidy, as the private sector has little interesting in picking up the contracts in areas which are not profitable - but the public gain out-weights the direct economic incentive.

Neither does business factor in the negative externalities & ignore the positive externalities which the government or society is the primary recipient of.

 

[Mynight]

South Thanet, like the rest of UKIP's primary target seats, has below national average immigration levels. It's positively perverse how hostility to immigration is highest in the areas least affected by it.

Well it's unlikly an immigrant would be anti immigration isn't it? .

 

[Dolph]

I understand that, however we don't see that very often in regard to NHS services. Also there is no reason why we cannot drive efficiency and greater overall patient provision within a non-profit structure.

It takes reform and political will as well as having an approach that is decided by those with the relevant experience and knowledge across the services themselves.

Also, if private companies have a part to play, I'm not strictly opposed to that...I'm opposed to how it's being instituted right now, with proven failures being again given substantive and lucrative contracts.

Driving efficiency without it being structural just involves targets and assessments and additional inefficiency to measure the results. Unless you can get the cost of that below the cost of profit, you haven't saved anything.

I agree with you about the current processes and the like though. The big problem is that taking it from a state monopoly to a local private monopoly gifted by the state is not really any more effective than not bothering, as you are still not introducing meaningful, customer centred competition to provide the structural incentive to improve.

 

[Castiel]

Driving efficiency without it being structural just involves targets and assessments and additional inefficiency to measure the results. Unless you can get the cost of that below the cost of profit, you haven't saved anything.

I agree with you about the current processes and the like though. The big problem is that taking it from a state monopoly to a local private monopoly gifted by the state is not really any more effective than not bothering, as you are still not introducing meaningful, customer centred competition to provide the structural incentive to improve.

I don't agree that an NPO structure is automatically inefficient. I'm all for choice, but I don't know enough about the system to know how to deliver it...I know enough that the current piecemeal contract system isn't it though.

 

[manius]

right im going to bed i have to be up at 430 for work sorry about my ranting but it gets to me when im working my nuts off just trying to give my kids a good life and all im seeing in my area are the immigrants driving around in nice cars with £100 trainers with no worrys at all living off of our money

 

[elmarko]

Some interesting data from earlier this year on how UKIP is likely to swing the election (at least in that area) to Labour (not sure if it's been posted yet)

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/figures-how-ukip-wrecking-conservative-8411700

Somewhat amusing that anti-EU sentiment is increasing the chance of a political party with no desire to leave Europe getting power.

right im going to bed i have to be up at 430 for work sorry about my ranting but it gets to me when im working my nuts off just trying to give my kids a good life and all im seeing in my area are the immigrants driving around in nice cars with £100 trainers with no worrys at all living off of our money

Do you stop & ask them the price of their trainers?.

What an odd thing to do.

Also how can you see the trainers while they are sitting in a Bugatti veyron?, I'd have thought tapping on the window to inquire about the price of their choice of footwear would be a hazard to road users.

 

[manius]

Some interesting data from earlier this year on how UKIP is likely to swing the election (at least in that area) to Labour (not sure if it's been posted yet)

http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/news/regional-affairs/figures-how-ukip-wrecking-conservative-8411700

Somewhat amusing that anti-EU sentiment is increasing the chance of a political party with no desire to leave Europe getting power.

Do you stop & ask them the price of their trainers?.

What an odd thing to do.

no i dont stop and ask but they seem to favour the nike are max the ones that generally retail for around the £100 mark i quite like them but cant really afford them

you can see there shoes when there out of said cars while mostly Illegally parked when they are going into our council office to get more benefits

 

[elmarko]

no i dont stop and ask but they seem to favour the nike are max the ones that generally retail for around the £100 mark i quite like them but cant really afford them

I'm just making light of a serious subject.

Get some sleep mate if your up at 4:30 tomorrow.

 

[manius]

I'm just making light of a serious subject.

Get some sleep mate if your up at 4:30 tomorrow.

im going now to dream of nike air max and bugatti veyrons

cya

 

[D.P.]

we the english the ones whos ancestors gave there lives and built this once great country so the generation to come could strive but looking to the future now i feel sorry and scared for the kids of tomorrow my kids included thats why im trying my hardest to get them a good education so atleast they have half a chance of getting a good job

What about the Scottish, or the welsh, or the Irish, or the celts, Picts, Vikings, Romans, Normans, Anglo Saxons, etc? Britian is based on 20,000 years of immigration!

 

[manius]

well maybe we should resort to the same tactics they did back then to keep them in line

 

[neoboy]

:O at that UKIP poll result