Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 254 41.6%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 40 6.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 83 13.6%
  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 31 5.1%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 38 6.2%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 4 0.7%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 25 4.1%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 129 21.1%

  • Total voters
    611
  • Poll closed .
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Possibly, but what about the hundreds of thousands of Brits that move to other EU countries each year for work. Now they would have to go through some visa process and deal with a load of red-tape and suffer a load of exclusions.

Yes.

That's something people who vote for certain parties need to understand themselves, more than likely when it is too late.
 
No, I saw the full clip this morning on the BBC when it was ~breaking news~ and it still makes the situation look farcical. The point is that this morning Labour were claiming that it would increase tax revenues and wouldn't cost the UK money... then a video is found which has Balls saying it would cost the UK money :o. That's an own goal.

Did he? Have you tried reading the full quote I posed above? He said that abolishing the whole non-dom status would cost the UK money, which isn't being proposed. Understand?
 
No, my main point followed. If an EU citizen can't get a Visa in the UK easily then why will Brits get visas for other EU countries easily? Visas are setup approximately symmetrically with bi-lateral agreements.


If it is extremely easy for a Brit to get an EU visa then it implies it would be extremely easy for an EU citizen to get a British visa. All the immigration control has done then is add a load of red-tape and put money into the hands of lawyers and pen-pushers, is that really advantageous?


What ever control Britain would put on EU workers we can expect similar controls on us as a fair and equitable treatment.
Other Eu countries have already warned the UK about this, and this had come to light over the benefits fiasco as well

Because I imagine UKIP would give less of a **** about negotiating visa deals with Poland, or Romania than say Germany or Spain?
 
There is a significant difference between those already in the country, and those wanting to get in.

So you concede that it will either be very difficult for British people to leave the UK to the EU or it will be very easy for EU citizens to emigrate to the UK?
 
Because I imagine UKIP would give less of a **** about negotiating visa deals with Poland, or Romania than say Germany or Spain?

But Germany and Spain will likely enact similar restrictions on British citizens as Britain would do to EU citizens. In fact the Eu countries would likely be in a more powerful position to bargain better visa rights.
 
Yesterday's Populus's poll : LAB 33%, CON 31%, UKIP 15%, LDEM 10%, GRN 4%...... And UKIP at 14% in yesterday's YouGov poll, up from 12% in a week, a rise of 17%......Also, the recent Survation poll had UKIP at 18%

You're just as guilty as i am of picking and choosing polls. You jump on any low ones to make a point, when in general they haven't been sliding at all since the new year, they have been consistently 15% overall and Survation has consistently have had them at 18%


No, i am looking at the average of polls that show a downward trend in UKIP vote share from around 17% in October to 13% now, a drop of 25%.

I am completely ignoring individual polls.
 
Now with YT clip of car-crash interview..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=0A1KjRPBvnU

Who prepares these people for interviews? It's amazing how you can let someone go on national TV/radio armed with nothing more than party slogans.

"We're going to tax X."
"How much will that raise?"
"Err...the Tories only care about the rich!"
"Right, but how much will your tax raise?"
"Err...well, what we're saying is that we want to tax X."
 
So you concede that it will either be very difficult for British people to leave the UK to the EU or it will be very easy for EU citizens to emigrate to the UK?

I say that they will have to use a standard visa process, which isn't "very difficult".
Later this year my girlfriend will move from her student visa onto a partner visa for instance, I know about the application processes, and yes they are annoying, but they don't present such a barrier as to significantly stop applications.

If the UK leaves, UK citizens in rEU, and EU citizens in the UK would have to apply for visas. There will be a transition period of a number of years to allow this to happen. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to you?

To answer your question directly, yes it will be more difficult, we are talking about removing the priciple of free movement afterall, but it will just be a minor inconvience for tourists to and from, and would allow actual government control on migrants to take place.
 
You're just as guilty as i am of picking and choosing polls. You jump on any low ones to make a point, when in general they haven't been sliding at all since the new year, they have been consistently 15% overall and Survation has consistently have had them at 18%

This is just not true. Have a look at the BBC poll of polls and you can clearly see there has been a two or three point drop in the UKIP support since the new year.

This isn't overly surprising, voters tend to drift back towards the major parties as a general election approaches.
 
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The whole non-dom thing is ridiculous. The media are completely avoiding discussing policy and instead following their own made up story about Ed Balls. It's another embarrassing example of just how poor the media in this country is.
 
This is just not true. Have a look at the BBC poll of polls and you can clearly see there has been a two or three point drop in the UKIP support since the new year.

This isn't overly surprising, voters tend to drift back towards the major parties as a general election approaches.

Ah i was hoping you'd bring up the BBC! their poll tracker is the most suspect of them all, 13%? LOL to the max, the polls this week have all been higher and the BBC haven't been updating the site for days.

You're much better off looking at the polls from the websites themselves
 
The whole non-dom thing is ridiculous. The media are completely avoiding discussing policy and instead following their own made up story about Ed Balls. It's another embarrassing example of just how poor the media in this country is.

I imagine they are avoiding dicussing the policy because its actually quite complicated and not fully worked out. On the face of it seems to work against or be thwarted by double taxation agreements anyway.


What Balls said in the past is certainly relevant though, and shows that he is willing to abandon his supposed economic wisdom if it will win him votes.
 
Ah i was hoping you'd bring up the BBC! their poll tracker is the most suspect of them all, 13%? LOL to the max, the polls this week have all been higher and the BBC haven't been updating the site for days.

You can click on the dropdown to look through each of the polls and see much the same pattern on all of them. Your paranoia aside, others may want to click through and see the methodology under which they calculate the poll-of-polls value.

The same pattern is also seen in other polls of polls such as those from May 2015 or the Telegraph. Why are you so determined to deny simple reality?
 
Jack, the BBC poll tracker is broken.

And you're much better off comparing like for like, yougov for yougov

Trying to do a poll of polls of companies with different methodologies will give you an inaccurate result
 
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I say that they will have to use a standard visa process, which isn't "very difficult".
Later this year my girlfriend will move from her student visa onto a partner visa for instance, I know about the application processes, and yes they are annoying, but they don't present such a barrier as to significantly stop applications.

If the UK leaves, UK citizens in rEU, and EU citizens in the UK would have to apply for visas. There will be a transition period of a number of years to allow this to happen. I'm not sure why this is such a difficult concept to you?

To answer your question directly, yes it will be more difficult, we are talking about removing the priciple of free movement afterall, but it will just be a minor inconvience for tourists to and from, and would allow actual government control on migrants to take place.


So the entire "controlled immigration" policy would be entirely useless and a waste of money since it wouldn't reduce any immigration rate?
 
So the entire "controlled immigration" policy would be entirely useless and a waste of money since it wouldn't reduce any immigration rate?

If I'm being thick, then please enlighten me, but I don't see how that conclusion can be drawn from my words.
 
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