Poll: General election voting round 4
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How many times must it be said? It is the people of Scotland that decide whether they want independence NOT the SNP.
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Yeah but the SNP do want independence, but that is why labour won't do a deal, labour want a UK.
Not quite true though is it ?
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Just saw part of the Boris and Ed chat on Andrew Marr this morning, hilarious in part. Enjoyed Boris asking him why he failed to tell people they went to the same school 
Naughty Boris, he really just doesn't bloody care at all.
Naughty Boris, he really just doesn't bloody care at all.
Soldato
Absolutely. A vote for SNP is pushing towards independence. Much in the same way voting UKIP is for leaving EU. The clue is in their names.
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Actually it's a bit more complicated than that. The data is mixed, and appears to vary internationally; moreover it seems to actually follow some kind of U shaped pattern so that both very large and very small class sizes are problematic. It's also deeply confounded since class size tracks down as spending goes up and spending has a whole host of other advantages.
Finally, even if reducing class size is beneficial the real question is whether money spent on reducing class size is better spent on that than all the other things it could be spent on.
No where did I say immigrants might not increase class size. The problem is not the immigrants but lack of teachers to keep ratios the same. The immigrants facilitate he improvement of student-teacher ratios through increased taxation beyond benefits.
In the town where I grew there was also a problem with large classes and a school that wasn't capable of supporting the number of children due to recent large increase in children, but that had nothing to do with immigration, that was just a school built in the early 70s unable to cope at the end of the 90s since the population had grown more than expected purely down to ease of modern commuting (the town allowed easy commuting between Edinburgh and Glasgow and experience sharp growth be used of that).
If you had add 500 immigrant children to a small rural town will there be a large pressure on the school. Yes. is that the fault of the immigrants? No. It is the fault of a system that isn't adaptable. Is the solution to block immigrants. No, the solution is to hire new teachers, who might MBR immigrants themselves, and increase school, funding with the taxes the immigrants bring in to the economy.
I.e. The exact same solution as if the population growth was not from immigrants, because population growth isn't the problem.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-northern-ireland-32476991
DUP Health spokesman resigns over gay remarks.
DUP Health spokesman resigns over gay remarks.
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Well according to the article he resigned to look after his sick wife.
I think I'm firmly in the Labour camp for this election. I flitted around from party to party, but the past few weeks I've been seeing more and more highly sensible, highly agreeable policy from Ed Miliband. Today's incoming announcement on housing is just adding to that.
Caporegime
If that was the case he should have resigned a lot earlier!
Even Sinn Féin gets it right for a change:
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Think it will be a Labour vote for me. I think the way Cameron has run this election I don't think he actually wants to win!
Probably already got a nice lucrative job lined up somewhere.
Probably already got a nice lucrative job lined up somewhere.
The solution would be to let immigration occur at a sensible controlled rate. You don't let 1000 people enter a small boat and then tell everyone how great is to have all the extra money for tickets, you decide how many extra you want on-board and build the capacity for it or at least let the two happen in harmony.
The problem with immigration as we currently have it is that its uncontrolled and we don't have the capacity for it, especially at the rate it occurs. Stands to logic, how can anything work properly when its a free for all where you have no idea how many will come.
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Bit ironic for them considering Rome's position on the LGBT community.
The thing is, that's all sensationalist nonsense that you have been duped into believing.
If you say so, but when every public service is overloaded then how can you allow more to rely on it, regardless of why its overloaded?
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Really, anyone from Europe can come and live here, thats uncontrolled if you ask me.
Exactly.
People argue that its governments fault for not investing in the services to support them but how can you even start to invest in something when you have no control over the capacity its to provide. If the system can't support the current numbers then you stop close the doors and sort it out, you don't carry on letting everyone in
I'm all for immigration, really I am.. but it just can't be open door all you can eat, you need to integrate and allow flow or the whole boat sinks in the end.
It is, but that in itself isn't a bad thing, because it's bilateral, so as long as the countries with free movement are similar enough there's no mass movement of people.
The argument recently is that people in the newest additions in Eastern Europe are being drawn to wealthier countries without the reciprocal movement (there are some reasons to move to e.g. Croatia, but for most they're not that compelling). We have seen some, but nowhere near the extent that was "predicted" by UKIP:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/uk-net-migration-soars-to-243000-theresa-may (2014)
So unless kippers can reconcile "it's the Eastern Europeans!" with the fact that it's not, all this chatter about "uncontrolled migration from Eastern Europe" is crap. Or are ukippers suggesting Italian immigrants are taking our jerbs now?
D.P. has been over this fallacy to death. The point is that immigrants don't just come and "eat" - to use your metaphor they actually come and start working in the kitchen
(they contribute more to society than they take in public services).- Status