Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)
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I was referring to the Libyan conflict, which is in large part responsible for deluge of migrants we see today.
Can someone explain my problem with the voting system, I really should know this. (i'm old enough)
Let for examples sake say that I live in a place with a Libdem politician, and as far as I know he runs the local area fine, he spends the money on the right things, etc etc, yet I do not believe in Libdem party policies. Where is the seperation between the politician and the party, or am I confusing politician with local councillor? How do I vote for a politician I like but a party I don't and how do I know if I vote for another party, that their politician will be better?
I don't understand in the slightest how if a politician wins a seat in an area, but his party doesn't win the election, how he is meant to do his job without being constantly overruled...
Let for examples sake say that I live in a place with a Libdem politician, and as far as I know he runs the local area fine, he spends the money on the right things, etc etc, yet I do not believe in Libdem party policies. Where is the seperation between the politician and the party, or am I confusing politician with local councillor? How do I vote for a politician I like but a party I don't and how do I know if I vote for another party, that their politician will be better?
I don't understand in the slightest how if a politician wins a seat in an area, but his party doesn't win the election, how he is meant to do his job without being constantly overruled...
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TBH, it's a case of detachment. If you don't think of them as people, people who (in large part) are running from conflicts that would likely take their lives, it's easy to say such things. Like a lot of people, her mouth engages before her brain.
Would she actually let people drown? No.
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He can't. Welcome to politics.
This isn't totally true, but the power and influence of politicians from non governing parties is extremely limited.
In fact MPs in general are not hugely influential, they mostly toe the party line. They give the illusion of representation.
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So lets say Politician A says he's going to fix up this and that, so I vote for him. His party doesn't win, what control would he have in those circumstance, does he then virtually work for the government party and or is he the thorn in the side of the government?
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They form part of the political opposition. They (or their party) are responsible for holding the government to account, and pressuring them out of office by putting forward better policy alternatives.
An opposition MPs vote is only of significants if the party has a "free vote". Otherwise, MPs are forced to vote with the rest of the party, or risk being reprimanded. If you're an opposition MP, you vote is almost always a wasted vote.
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So she wouldn't let them drown, but you thought you would make out she would, so you could use her to do some UKIP bashing?
Or am I missing something?
Ok, but if say he was a green party politician, with crazy ideas about stopping cars from driving past 11pm or something equally stupid, and he proposes it in parliment and is shot down, then he's a useless waste of time, cause he's never going to get anything he wants.
Now lets say I vote for a con politician and he has an idea to do something like build a big new sports center. As a politician for the actually running government, will he get stuff done without as much hassle?
Voting really is an odd business. I'm in Bristol West - 2010 results below.
I still haven't decided who I will vote for... but I have sussed that if I did want the Conservatives to win (who haven't got a hope in hell in Bristol West), I'd have to vote Lib Dems to keep Labour out... how backwards is that?!
I still haven't decided who I will vote for... but I have sussed that if I did want the Conservatives to win (who haven't got a hope in hell in Bristol West), I'd have to vote Lib Dems to keep Labour out... how backwards is that?!
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Yeah I get that, I just don't get why a winning government doesn't take over the whole country with it's politicians. It baffles me what control another parties politician has in your area if he can be outvoted by the dominant party politicians votes on anything. He might as well just do nothing, or the same as the running governments politician (who lost) was going to do anyway.
I guess I maybe wonder how many people would be so against immigration after considering the human element. Putting strict limits on unskilled immigration is all well and good, but it needs to happen hand-in-hand with solutions to stop so many people from needing to emigrate. At present, the UK is part of the problem, rather than the solution.
That, and "UKIP voter in 'not racist, just self-centred' shocker". The jobs thing was her main gripe.
Seems he's not keen on the idea of having one distributed to his house to support
Why would I? I wouldn't want a random stranger (from the UK or elsewhere) living in my house. I'm not really sure where that idea stems from?...
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Where did you get the info from?
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Its part of the reason a lot of people just don't vote.
Wasn't that, I just wanted to see what we were, I know we git con in.
But found it now.
Voting really is an odd business. I'm in Bristol West - 2010 results below.
I still haven't decided who I will vote for... but I have sussed that if I did want the Conservatives to win (who haven't got a hope in hell in Bristol West), I'd have to vote Lib Dems to keep Labour out... how backwards is that?!
That's just how it is, hence why polls are so useless. There's likely to be a swing from the small parties toward Labour and the Tories (or whoever is contesting the seat) on Thursday. Given how tight this election is, it could be a significant swing as people's passion for small parties is often outweighed by their distaste for either Labour or the Tories.
I did toy with the idea of voting Green after meeting our local candidate. Seems like a decent chap, firmly rooted in the town (college lecturer, former mayor). Then I looked at the 2010 result - just over 500 votes in a key Labour/Tory marginal. Why bother? Nobody else comes close in this seat, so it's a simple choice between two candidates.
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