Soldato
Lol at all the people who saying it wasn't team orders, never have I ever seen it so clear in all of the 2 months I've been watching F1. 
German Grand Prix 2010, Hockenheimring Circuit - Race 11/19
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Thing is that has happened numerous times and has never been deemed team orders. Cars on different strategies often get let go. Now whether this is down to it not being classed as team orders, or that no evidence of team orders has been give. I am not sure. but I would guess the first.
however 1,2 on same strategy, is definitely team orders. Combined with surrounding radio comms is a very strong case. Regardless of what excuse Ferrari give for those radio comms. it is now down to WMSC to decide if that is enough evidence for team orders and I really hope for clarification.
As I have said several times this season already, if team orders are banned any comms with regards to fuel should be looked at routinely by stewards.
Soldato
Regarding fuel saving instructions they really do my nut in - not because of the opportunity for race fixing but because it ruins the spectacle. I'd be very happy to see a rule forcing a minimum weight of fuel (calculated each race to be enough for most cars to race full out all race).
that would be good and would still fit with there going green.
Set a fixed amount of fuel. you have to carry x-litres. Then to encourage efficiency, could just be slashed every few years.
Soldato
Nice idea. If it were me I'd tell the teams the fuel tanks have to be big enough for 120% of the fuel needed for a race and tell them it has to be full at the beginning of the race. Then they can race all they want and not worry about fuel.
Soldato
Nice idea. If it were me I'd tell the teams the fuel tanks have to be big enough for 120% of the fuel needed for a race and tell them it has to be full at the beginning of the race. Then they can race all they want and not worry about fuel.
Or just bring back refuelling and let it be how it was, not poncing around saving fuel. It's just not racing
Soldato
I think a no re-fuelling ban is good. It's still racing and its funny to see fastest laps being set left, right and centre in the last few laps of a race.Or just bring back refuelling and let it be how it was, not poncing around saving fuel. It's just not racing
Also you can't have refuelling back as you'd get people being overtaken in the pitlane!
My problem with the current F1 regs regarding fuel/qualifying to race differences is why should the top 10 have to start race on their Q3 tyres? Let everyone have a free choice between qually and race or no choice at all. Then if you want refuelling back none of this silly qualify with the fuel you'll use for start of race. Qualifying and race are two separate events in a grand prix weekend; let them be separate.
Soldato
I think a no re-fuelling ban is good. It's still racing and its funny to see fastest laps being set left, right and centre in the last few laps of a race.
Also you can't have refuelling back as you'd get people being overtaken in the pitlane!
My problem with the current F1 regs regarding fuel/qualifying to race differences is why should the top 10 have to start race on their Q3 tyres? Let everyone have a free choice between qually and race or no choice at all. Then if you want refuelling back none of this silly qualify with the fuel you'll use for start of race. Qualifying and race are two separate events in a grand prix weekend; let them be separate.
I agree on the qualifying part.
I used to love the strategy side of things when it came to pit-stops, at least it shook the order up a bit. Now, it's a rare thing to see an overtake with use of the pit-lane, and it happens less frequently on-track in quite a few races. Yes, some races this year has had plenty of overtaking, but they contrast greatly to those which have had almost none. (Bahrain and Germany moreso than others)
Yep have to agree there. We've had fuel saving from about the middle of the race before
Soldato
On the contrary I think we could do with at least a three compound rule.
Give the teams/drivers the choice on what tyres they use and when. No need to interfere and say you must use both compounds. Then to ensure tyres aren't designed to last a race lean on Pirelli to make both compounds last for no more than 45% of a race.
Soldato
I think that is exactly what Acid was referring to.
We need to get back to a situation where you can either drive flat out and need several sets of tyres or plod along slower and get away with one stop or no stops at all. Then you may even see one of the newer teams take a chance on running to the flag on just the one set of tyres and maybe sneak up into the points.
Few final points about this race:
1) At least twice now this season (Australia and Germany) Massa has made an absolutely perfect launch off the grid. Maybe RBR could get Vettel to study the tapes and learn something from him....
2) Talking of Vettel - nice of him to ruin Button's race by blocking him at Turn One. About time someone sorted him out.
3) Can we get Chandok back in the HRT car? Please?
The issue at the moment is that whilst there are rules to allow power equivalency there is nothing to allow teams with thirstier engines to improve their fuel consumption. So to be competitive some teams are forced to run light in the hope that once they have track position they can wind the wick down slightly in the knowledge that they are almost impossible to pass.
It's all change next year anyway.
Add to this also, that Alonso was very dominant throughout the weekend. He didnt just "turn up" during the race. He was faster than his team-mate during the entire weekend.
Alonso has been in this position before where for whatever reason Massa finds himself ahead of Alonso. Alonso proceeds to tear up the field ahead of him and then pulls up behind Massa, where he then gets stuck - ie. unable to overtake a car which has identical characteristics to his own car.
While Alonso is much faster than Massa, when it comes to overtaking, Massa seems to be very difficult to overtake - a mobile roadblock as it were. I think Trulli also falls into his category.
On Sunday, Ferrari finally took the decision that they have to try and win the title this year, which means that Massa must make way for his No.1 driver. This is the whole point of having a No.1 and No.2 driver system.
A big problem for Ferrari now is that if they find themselves in the same position (Massa ahead, with Alonso right behind, climbing all over Massa's gearbox) during the remainder of the season, what will they do? My money would be on them delaying Massa's pitstop by 1s (or so), to allow Alonso to make the pass.
I don't rate Vettel at all really. Shame, because if a better driver was in that Red Bull then
I think there is currently a lot of bad feeling towards Vettel as he is being favoured by his team, over Webber.
Don't forget that Vettel was effectively robbed of 50 points at the start of the season. He has also had that clanger while challenging for the lead. He would've bagged at least 18 points in that. That brings the total to 68 points. This would be more than enough to place him at the top of the championship standings, with plenty to spare.
Make no mistake, Vettel is a top of the line driver and given the car, can compete with the other top drivers. This is why Mercedes (who want him badly) and RBR value his skills so highly.
What lets Vettel down is that when he finds himself in the midfield (or the back), he struggles to move forward through the field and just gets bogged down. Massa suffers from exactly the same problem.
Soldato
Surely if vettel was such a top driver he'd be able to fight his way through the field though sunama??