German Grand Prix 2010, Hockenheimring Circuit - Race 11/19

AcidHell2 said:
they have to show that Massa made his own mind up, FIA have to show it was more than that. It could go either way. But this is the best chance FIA will ever get and if that is not enough evidence then the rule should be removed.,
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Massa will 100% testify to say that he let his team-mate through of his own accord. How the FIA can prove he is lying is beyond me.


Massa/Ferrari, will probably say:
Massa was reminded by his engineer that Alonso was faster. Massa agreed and then decided not to hold up his team-mate any longer. Once Massa stopped defending, Alonso was able to get past. Massa didnt want to take any risks (ie. didnt want to see both Ferraris taking eachother off), so made it easy for the faster Alonso to get past.

Thats pretty much how the defence is likely to go (assuming they don't decide to come clean).

If Ferrari change their story (like McLaren did in 2007), and come "clean", they are going to be in serious trouble.
 
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TaKeN said:
Surely if vettel was such a top driver he'd be able to fight his way through the field though sunama??
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Hehehe.

That is his one weakness and yes - the fact that he struggles in that area, results in him being placed below the likes of Alonso, Hamilton, Button, etc.

Given a fast car though, he stands a good chance to mix it with the likes of Alonso, etc. This is probably the reason why RBR rate him so highly.
 
sunama said:
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trouble is they have already been found guilty, Brundle has a good article.

Clumsy Ferrari expose flaws in team orders rule
Maybe that's unfair but they have a problem now. The $100,000 fine has been applied so the team are officially guilty of breaching the regulations. Surely the World Council can only add to that penalty at their yet-to-be announced hearing.

Rest of the article, basically sums up what I have been saying. That we all know it happens, but this is the first time that it has been provable.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Rest of the article, basically sums up what I have been saying. That we all know it happens, but this is the first time that it has been provable.
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Its not the first time it's provable, Ron Dennis admitted to team orders for the monaco gp in 07 his own quotes are enough, Heiki in 08 did the same as massa. Its also provable that Kimi yielded for massa and vice verca.

If the team principle admits to having to manufacture the 07 monaco gp result you can't get more clear cut than that.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Its not the first time it's provable, Ron Dennis admitted to team orders for the monaco gp in 07 his own quotes are enough,
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As I said before that is unclear, as I'm not sure that is classed as team orders. Many times team members on different strategies have been released, not once has it been investigated by FIA, which implies that does not count as team orders. As they are not racing each other.

Where a 1,2 on same strategy, with no pit stops left, is certain team orders as they are racing each other.
 
I don't tend to re-watch stuff, but the Ferrari stories at the end of the race didn't seem to correlate from what I remember.

Massa said Alonso overtook. Fine.
Smedley said Alonso overtook. Not fine, you don't apologise for your team mate passing your driver fairly. You would be on the radio saying "You're fast enough to get him back, c'mon Felipe baby!"
 
Anyone else think the track really needs some updating? Some parts are really narrow. Could do with a hairpin with a wide exit or something too.
 
The old layout was quick but not that difficult for the drivers, set up, tyres etc?

One corner I did like, although too narrow, was the banked section towards the end. Isn't one of the new tracks meant to have some banking too?
 
Duke said:
The old layout was quick but not that difficult for the drivers, set up, tyres etc?

One corner I did like, although too narrow, was the banked section towards the end. Isn't one of the new tracks meant to have some banking too?
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I thought it was quite hard to set up for because you needed the pace on the straights but then the downforce for the stadium bit. You couldn't be biased too much in favour of one otherwise you'd be a sitting duck in the other. And the engines probably didn't like Hockenheim original much. :p
 
Original Hockenheim was a favourite track on F1 97 (PS1) purely because you'd go flat out through the trees and hit the chicane and more often than not just run it haha
 
EVH said:
Original Hockenheim was a favourite track on F1 97 (PS1) purely because you'd go flat out through the trees and hit the chicane and more often than not just run it haha
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I also thoroughly enjoyed the old Hockenheim on the simulator.

My favourite is Spa though - it has virtually every single corner you can think of and ample overtaking opportunities.

EDIT: I'm looking forward to the new F1 2010 game:
http://formula1-game.com/en_GB/media.php

When used with a force feedback wheel it should be great.
 
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JRS said:
It needs restoring to the old layout really....
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Absolutely! 210mph through the trees was fantastic. Especially when the arena area was dry and the straights wet because of the trees holding the moisture in.

Also, nice that Ferrari have pretty much admitted to using team orders by not appealing the fine.
 
sunama said:
I also thoroughly enjoyed the old Hockenheim on the simulator.

My favourite is Spa though - it has virtually every single corner you can think of and ample overtaking opportunities.

EDIT: I'm looking forward to the new F1 2010 game:
http://formula1-game.com/en_GB/media.php

When used with a force feedback it should be great.
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Yep, the new F1 game looks really good. Seriously thinking about getting a wheel for it.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Yep, the new F1 game looks really good. Seriously thinking about getting a wheel for it.
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I have a force feedback wheel which I bought about 10 years ago. I doubt it works with today's operating system, but I shall definitely be giving it a go in September.

The thing is that I actually enjoy simulators more than driving a real go kart.
 
MarcLister said:
I thought it was quite hard to set up for because you needed the pace on the straights but then the downforce for the stadium bit. You couldn't be biased too much in favour of one otherwise you'd be a sitting duck in the other. And the engines probably didn't like Hockenheim original much. :p
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Not true towards the end, they literally couldn't run low enough downforce. Williams even experimented in 97 with running the car without a rear wing.

I much preferred the old layout though. F1 97 is still my fav game of all time.
 
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