German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

I wonder if Charlie thought it would be covered by marshals on the pit lane side of the straight? And it wasn't until he decided that it didn't need a SC that he realised the marshals were coming from the other side?

I can't imagine it was his intention for all the marshals moving the car to be sprinting across the racing line. That would be rather irresponsible. While he's made some dubious decisions, he's never been reckless.
 
You regularly have marshals jumping onto track under yellows to retrieve a bit of body work, how is running across the racing line between cars under double yellow flags any worse? I'm sure every driver was told over the radio that there was a car stuck on the inside of that bend with Marshals around it.
 
Can't say I thought there was anything wrong with what they did. The marshals had run across the track and were already moving the car by the time the first car past them so they must've had a decent window of opportunity. If the cars were more spaced out and they had less time it could've been deemed wreckless.
 
Skeeter said:
It was 100% Buttons fault. Lewis isn't psychic.
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I disagree having seen the aerial shot. If you've actually seen it you'll see that Jenson looks to be pretty much on the racing line and follows a nice gradual curve into the corner, he even said after the race everyone was following that line, I just think it's quite natural to take that corner quite wide before turn in but funnily enough it doesn't look odd or anything from the aerial shot...and if you look closely Lewis' lock up makes him run into the side of Jenson and he misses the apex as a result.

but I see Lewis' point about Jenson having moved over in previous races because his car is a second quicker...
 
I did lol at Hamilton's comments about how Jenson had been jumping out of his way in recent races.

When a Toro Rosso does that for an RBR, its all "OMG there cheating they should be banned AAAAAHHH!!!".
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Can't say I thought there was anything wrong with what they did. The marshals had run across the track and were already moving the car by the time the first car past them so they must've had a decent window of opportunity. If the cars were more spaced out and they had less time it could've been deemed wreckless.
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It was wreckless though because there were so many 'what if's present. The reliability of these cars is getting worse and worse as the season goes on...

We've seen plenty of evidence to prove that a safety car should definitely have been deployed for the Sutil incident..

those things include bodywork flying off the cars for no apparant reason (think hangar straight two weeks ago on Bottas' car)... tyre blowouts (not happened so far this season but can never be ruled out (especially after things like Perez on the hangar straight too)...

then there's just the potential for brakes to not work and loss of control of the car (evidence from qually with Lewis)...

There was just far too much risk involved in having the marshalls clear the car regardless of waved yellows.

What example does it set for the last race of the season too where cars are running old hardware, old engines, gearboxes etc.?

It was a stupid move and thoroughly surprising of the FIA not to deploy a safety car.
 
Sutil managed to get his car there, so its entirely possible for someone else to get there too.

And to say its fine for marshals to be running across the track because they are under instruction and there are double waved yellows requires that a) the drivers are adhering to the double waved yellows, and b) that the marshals are following their instructions. The random Jeep on track at Korea shows you can't be sure of the latter, and Maldonado being on the track, a guy who was banned from Monaco after ignoring red flags and nearly killing a marshal, means you cannot be sure of the former either.
 
Skeeter said:
Sutil managed to get his car there, so its entirely possible for someone else to get there too.

And to say its fine for marshals to be running across the track because they are under instruction and there are double waved yellows requires that a) the drivers are adhering to the double waved yellows, and b) that the marshals are following their instructions. The random Jeep on track at Korea shows you can't be sure of the latter, and Maldonado being on the track, a guy who was banned from Monaco after ignoring red flags and nearly killing a marshal, means you cannot be sure of the former either.
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not only that but Rosberg overtook under a RED flag at Silverstone, and plenty of drivers have been penalised for speeding under waved yellows or called to the stewards for it over the last few years...so it's not like waved yellows deters the drivers from a lapse of concentration and consequently risking lives of human beings walking onto a Formula 1 track during a race..
 
Well, managed to find a channel showing it in spanish :D

Excellent race, one of the best of the season. A fantastic drive by Hamilton and great damage limitation. He really needs a clean pole/win weekend now though.

That was bizzare that the safety car was not deployed with the car on track. Like others have said here, we have seen one deployed for a lot less.

Hamilton was lucky that Massa was involved in another incident.

The other thing I found strange was the gap they kept showing between Rosberg and Hamilton as if they were realistically racing each other?
 
Im finding it REALLY hard to support Hamilton now.. I know he wants to win etc, but he needs to realise it wont happen all the time. That's what's going to cost him the title this year!
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The other thing I found strange was the gap they kept showing between Rosberg and Hamilton as if they were realistically racing each other?
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I think that was because realistically the drivers championship is going to be won by one of those two drivers, so they were trying to spice it up a bit by showing where one was in relation to the other.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
That was bizzare that the safety car was not deployed with the car on track. Like others have said here, we have seen one deployed for a lot less.
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To have brought out the safety car would have removed Rosberg's advantage and left him open to attack from Hamilton and Bottas. Can't have the home boy not win, can we?
 
Skeeter said:
Both him and Kimi need to think about quitting before they become laughing stock.
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Before Kimi moved to Ferrari, most people agreed that Kimi was doing a great job.
His problem is that he has been 'Alonso'd'.
IMO Kimi is doing an ok job (not great), but adequate.
The problem for many F1 fans is that they dont understand just how good Alonso is.
Alonso is the only driver over the last few years who has absolutely hammered his team-mate, year on year. No other driver in F1 can boast this.

The Ferrari car itself is a shambles and back in Italy, the team will come under huge scrutiny. If Alonso left, they would most likely be left with a car which was finishing 10th on a regular basis. Eddie Jordan stated earlier this year that he thinks Alonso will move this Winter and I tend to agree. I can't believe that he will continue in a team which is going nowhere fast.

As for the race: Rosberg was serene. He did what he needed to do. Nothing extravagant. He just got the job done.
Hamilton drove well - he did a huge number of overtakes, which was expected, due to the car advantage.
It was a decent race, but I want to see Hamilton close to Rosberg and push him hard.
 
I think part of it is that for Kimi there isn't that hunger.

Alonso seems to give 110% all the time, constantly driven, you could put him in the worst car on the grid, 5 seconds slower a lap than anyone else and he'd still give absolutely everything even to achieve nothing.

Kimi has the talent, we've all seen him drive absolute belters of races before but when you look at the situation, he's in a car that from day 1 was clearly never going to win anything, he's been World Champion before, he's won races before, realistically there isn't anything for him to achieve and certainly not in this car. I think this was demonstrated nicely by him taking time out and spending it rallying - he's come back because F1 is where he's at his most comfortable IMO but the drive just isn't there when he knows he's not in with a shout. He's happy to drive around, collect his money and see if things get better - too laid back for his own good perhaps.

I honestly think if Alonso and Kimi were in the Mercedes, Kimi would be a different driver at the moment, because he'd actually have something to drive for other than a pay cheque. I don't think he'd better Alonso necessarily but he'd certainly be a lot closer.
 
Where could/would Alonso realistically go? Merc are pretty tied for for seats, same for RB I reckon... Take a gamble that Williams will continue their good form? Go back to McLaren who aren't exactly setting the world on fire?

I think Alonso is (unfortunately for him) in the best palce he can be at the moment, Ferrari aren't producing the car at the but they have the resources to keep pushing and when they do get it right they will throw everything at Alonso to take it all the way.
 
McLaren is his only real choice and hope Honda pays off.
At least McLaren is having a big shake up, unlike Ferrari. Neither teams has done particularly well in recent times.
 
What would be the best possible thing for F1 is for him to replace MassaCrasha at Williams and have a good run at the Mercs next year! Now that would be good racing!
 
PinkFloyd said:
Caught up with the race last night, good stuff! Loved all the close wheel to wheel racing, Alonso vs Ricciardo was brilliant.
Re: the retrieval of the Sauber, I don't think a safety car was needed. Double yellows are fine for a situation like that, they're off the racing line on the inside of the track, under double yellows there is no reason a race car should end up anywhere near the marshals.
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Imagine if a car did end up there. ;)
 
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