German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

It would be interesting to watch Hamilton if Rosberg does somehow manage the title this year. I think he would move back to mclaren. I don't think Rosberg will win it but hamiltons nose will really be out of joint should he win.

I said when alonso threatened mclaren years ago that I didn't think he would win a title again and I don't think he will. Ferrari need years of work, mclaren are **** and his only hope is a red bull seat, but Renault suck. I think he's got no chance of another title.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I said when alonso threatened mclaren years ago that I didn't think he would win a title again and I don't think he will. Ferrari need years of work, mclaren are **** and his only hope is a red bull seat, but Renault suck. I think he's got no chance of another title.
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I really hope that isn't the case, I think he deserves at least another title, it'd be great for him to be able to finish on a high... He needs a car to be able to do it in though.
 
I think it would be a bit of an over reaction from Hamilton if he stormed out of the most dominant car on the grid to go back to the midfield and falling McLaren just because his team mate narrowly beat him to the title.
 
I think it would just drive Hamilton to do even better next year. He wants a championship contending car to work with and he has that at Mercedes. McLaren do not, and certainly don't look like they will either.

Hopefully for him the rules do not change so much as to upset the balance of power again, and Merc maintain their form.
 
It was the rolleyes I found insulting. The suggestion we are fickle enough to make up concerns about marshals safety to hide being fanboys.

Hamilton and Button could have been 1-2, 4 laps ahead, on the phone to Obama and Putin brokering a deal while documenting a cure for cancer, but recovering Sutils car still should have been done under a SC.
 
I wouldn't right McLaren off as much as Ferrari. Ferrari there's no real change. McLaren have had huge changes this year and will again next year. It's a much better chance than staying at Ferrari.
Where else do you go, web won't leave rbr, they're still second best even with a rubbish engine and that engine should be much improved.

So he really only has Ferrari or McLaren that really is his only options. You can't risk it with Williams/FI. They've always been top of midfield and nothing to suggest they won't still be their next year.
 
I agree ^

Foolish to say Mclaren are going to be going backwards next year when such a huge change is coming in the Honda engine - Ferrari will be stuck with a lacklustre engine next year and so will Renault - who is to say Honda won't have a better engine than Mercedes? They may just be lucky enough to have more intelligent people behind the making of it.

It may pay off hugely for Mclaren, it may not, but we've got Peter Prodromou (head of RBR aerodynamics) joining us before the end of the season as well as other intelligent new personnel that we've recruited.

We've got a more forward thinking, intelligent and dynamic trackside operations leader in EB (compared to MW) and we also have had a major reshuffling within the organisation on other notes... Dave Robson leaving his role as JB's race engineer and the reintroduction of Ron to oversee the racing outfit etc.

We have an unparalleled budget to boot.

More emphasis is being put into the race team and the company is dividing it's F1 side from it's road car division whilst previous seasons have seen everyone involved in everything.

All that I've seen Ferrari do this year is recruit an overpaid, self indulgent egotistical finn who can't be bothered to even apply any effort on the track, and a new Team Principle who had no vested interest in F1 whatsoever until a few months ago.

Well enticing.

Yes they've got a lot of History, but history schmistory if you can't bring results together.

Having said that I can't see Lewis going back to Mclaren even if Rosberg does win the title this year, it would be a real big case of sour grapes if he does, but then again Lewis has a penchant for playing the victim so he may go sobbing back to Ron, who knows!
 
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smr said:
I agree ^

Foolish to say Mclaren are going to be going backwards next year when such a huge change is coming in the Honda engine - Ferrari will be stuck with a lacklustre engine next year and so will Renault - who is to say Honda won't have a better engine than Mercedes? They may just be lucky enough to have more intelligent people behind the making of it.

It may pay off hugely for Mclaren, it may not, but we've got Peter Prodromou (head of RBR aerodynamics) joining us before the end of the season as well as other intelligent new personnel that we've recruited.

We've got a more forward thinking, intelligent and dynamic trackside operations leader in EB (compared to MW) and we also have had a major reshuffling within the organisation on other notes... Dave Robson leaving his role as JB's race engineer and the reintroduction of Ron to oversee the racing outfit etc.

We have an unparalleled budget to boot.

More emphasis is being put into the race team and the company is dividing it's F1 side from it's road car division whilst previous seasons have seen everyone involved in everything.

All that I've seen Ferrari do this year is recruit an overpaid, self indulgent egotistical finn who can't be bothered to even apply any effort on the track, and a new Team Principle who had no vested interest in F1 whatsoever until a few months ago.

Well enticing.

Yes they've got a lot of History, but history schmistory if you can't bring results together.

Having said that I can't see Lewis going back to Mclaren even if Rosberg does win the title this year, it would be a real big case of sour grapes if he does, but then again Lewis has a penchant for playing the victim so he may go sobbing back to Ron, who knows!
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Are you CEO of Mclaren? Seems a bit odd for you to keep saying 'we' 'us' etc.
 
The Ferrari or Renault engines could be best next year, the Honda may be the worst engine, or the fastest, or the fastest but with reliability that means they barely finish a race or even the slowest and the least reliable engine.

What is likely is that the Merc engine will improve in any weak areas and that any team using that engine will have had say 16-18 months by the start of next season to learn and design a chassis to work in tune with the engine.

Almost for certain Mclaren will be moving backwards because every other team is effectively working on the new spec mk 2 car, Mclaren are effectively working on a mk1 car and with a somewhat new team/structure and some major new people.

I would be surprised if Mclaren moved closer to Merc next season.. however it might be a step that moves them closer in the year or two after that.

Merc made changes, it took time, and they had a significant improvement on the 2013 car from a team mostly put together by say mid 2012. It wasn't instant and no reason to believe Mclaren's changes would be instant.

I see Mclaren doing the right thing, a reshuffle. But the new boss has to evaluate the team, then make further changes and bring in people then those people need some time to learn to work together and gel together their idea's into a coherent plan and THEN they have a chance of making a great car.

The only chance of Mclaren magically moving forwards next year is if Honda hit it out of the park, considering Renault/Ferrari will know pretty much everywhere they went wrong and have been working on it all year, and don't forget how important software updates and much of this has come from having 3-4 teams supplying data from dozens of test days and races between them. Honda will have one team and currently have no real world data. They'll have a worse ramp than anyone else with a single engine in use in testing and be 100k's of real world testing behind every other team.

I would honestly expect Honda to have an incredibly small chance of even matching Renault/Ferrari engines in their first year and reliability/software again with so little data coming from a single team, will be a huge issue.

2-5 teams will find more bugs in the software than a single team.... easily.

I would say there is a MUCH higher chance of a truly disastrous year for Mclaren next year than moving way up the field. The chance of Honda actually making a mk1 engine, with no data, experience and one teams data in testing, that can beat all of the other mk2 engines is.... tiny, and the only way Mclaren will improve massively next year is if Honda make the best engine. Even then you have lack of testing, data, reliability.
 
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In my opinion if McLaren get a top driver like Alonso(Lewis is taken) they just may make a come back.
As they are now they don't stand a chance. McLaren have the best engine now and they are still a mid filed team.
But for sure if Big Ron had the cash he would buy Lewis out of his contract. Ferrari will get even worse.
 
I'm with deuse, all smr ribbing aside, what McLaren need is a top driver to grab the team by the balls and drag them back up the front. That will be the single biggest improvement they can make. Button just isn't that guy, and I'm not convinced Boulier is either. But I'm pretty sure that someone like Alonso would be a massive boost for McLaren.

Unfortunately, Ron's return must surely put massive doubts over that ever happening.

In reality... Alonso will be at Ferrari next year, the car will be OK but not brilliant, and we will be having this same conversation.
 
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