Gibbo is getting an R600!!

Perfect_Chaos · 18 Apr 2007 at 19:38

HighlandeR said:
Even after 6 months release of a very impressive card your only gonna get a card thats 10-30fps max faster/And usualy thats simply due to better/faster memory being used.

It usualy takes a good 8-12 months before we see a next gen card, Even the 8800 Ultra wont be much more different to the GTX benchmarks there hinting 10-20% faster.

To me Nvidia appears 6 months+ ahead of ATI but im sure thats not 100% especially cos there cards never stop being made/produced so there next gen card may appear even 3 months after the R600 and still outperform anything from Nvidia or vice versa

i was hoping for high framerates for games like crysis, no way will it hold up if its gonna average at 60.

on the other hand, im going to watercool the bugger.. get some mad OC with a volt mod

Alty · 19 Apr 2007 at 18:26

what I want to know is......

will we need a new mobo to support crossfire2 or will it be backwards compatible? I just got me a quad core cpu and dont wanna buy a mobo now only to have to buy a new one for this card!

LoadsaMoney · 19 Apr 2007 at 18:55

If your mobo has 2x 16x PCI-E slots, and can run both at 16x still when using 2x cards then your fine.

WJA96 · 19 Apr 2007 at 19:12

LoadsaMoney said:
If your mobo has 2x 16x PCI-E slots, and can run both at 16x still when using 2x cards then your fine.

I don't think that is correct. There are no current Crossfire S775 boards that support 2 16x PCIe sockets.

The Asgard · 19 Apr 2007 at 19:15

I'm sure I read somewhere that the new Xfire could run on any board including Nvidia ??

easyrider · 19 Apr 2007 at 22:44

The Asgard said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that the new Xfire could run on any board including Nvidia ??

I doubt that in all honesty.

But then again who knows

drak3 · 19 Apr 2007 at 23:02

The Asgard said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that the new Xfire could run on any board including Nvidia ??

The new Xfire will be internal, without a dongle. However, it will still need hardware support most probably, but maybe the chips are onboard and its enough to provide dual 16x lanes.

No facts known yet as far as I know, except the internal link.

Rich43 · 20 Apr 2007 at 05:41

Can someone sum up what has happened in this monstrous thread.. its 40+ pages.. I got to 20 then got bored
????????????????

Darkwave · 20 Apr 2007 at 05:44

Rich43 said:
Can someone sum up what has happened in this monstrous thread.. its 40+ pages.. I got to 20 then got bored
????????????????

Cliffs: -

- Gibbo got R600.
- R600 is apparently not bad.
- People argued a lot.
- Gibbo sent back R600.

The Asgard · 20 Apr 2007 at 06:57

easyrider said:
I doubt that in all honesty.

But then again who knows

Imagine the market leverage ATI would have if its true

WJA96 · 20 Apr 2007 at 07:02

The Asgard said:
Imagine the market leverage ATI would have if its true

Why? You can already run SLi on Crossfire motherboards and almost no-one is doing it (almost no-one is doing SLi

), possibly because it uses hacked drivers, but if NVidia disabled the NVidia chipset check for SLI in the official drivers then they would immediately have a stable Crossfire on Intel/Crossfire on NVidia competitor.

The Asgard · 20 Apr 2007 at 07:43

WJA96 said:
Why? You can already run SLi on Crossfire motherboards and almost no-one is doing it (almost no-one is doing SLi ), possibly because it uses hacked drivers, but if NVidia disabled the NVidia chipset check for SLI in the official drivers then they would immediately have a stable Crossfire on Intel/Crossfire on NVidia competitor.

LOL, how old. One driver set may be 2. That supports what?? The reason nobody is doing it maybe ??

I am aware that there is no technical reason why they don't but imagine if ATI did allow Xfire on any chipset

WJA96 · 20 Apr 2007 at 08:28

The Asgard said:
LOL, how old. One driver set may be 2. That supports what?? The reason nobody is doing it maybe ??

I am aware that there is no technical reason why they don't but imagine if ATI did allow Xfire on any chipset

Yes, I'm sure it's all ready for a new Carlsberg ad

, but the only limitation that stops SLi on any chipset is that the driver checks for an NVidia chipset before allowing SLi, if ATI did release Crossfire for any chipset, then it would give them no additional market leverage because NVidia could turn it on immediately. That was the point I was trying to make.

Would it help AMD to make Crossfire run full speed on Intel platforms anyway? There are no Crossfire Intel motherboards that support 2 16x PCIe ports - even ATI's own RD600 chipset supports 2 8x PCIe ports. From and AMD viewpoint it surely makes sense to have the fastest graphics available on the AMD platform and hold it up a bit on Intel. Why help a competitor product if you don't have to?

The Asgard · 20 Apr 2007 at 09:14

WJA96 said:
Yes, I'm sure it's all ready for a new Carlsberg ad , but the only limitation that stops SLi on any chipset is that the driver checks for an NVidia chipset before allowing SLi, if ATI did release Crossfire for any chipset, then it would give them no additional market leverage because NVidia could turn it on immediately. That was the point I was trying to make.

Sure, I'm aware that its just a chipset check but opening the market up maybe part of ATI's plan? What are they about to do with the R600. GTX performance for <£300 Inc ?? Currently the SLI market is a monopoly with regard to motherboards.

WJA96 said:
Would it help AMD to make Crossfire run full speed on Intel platforms anyway? There are no Crossfire Intel motherboards that support 2 16x PCIe ports - even ATI's own RD600 chipset supports 2 8x PCIe ports. From and AMD viewpoint it surely makes sense to have the fastest graphics available on the AMD platform and hold it up a bit on Intel. Why help a competitor product if you don't have to?

Not sure what the difference between X8 and X16 but I suspect its minimal. Never tested tbh. However would Joe public know or care?? I would imagine the majority of motherboards sold are Intel based anyway. Giving people the option to run Xfire on a Nvidia based chipset would be very appealing for some people and very appealing to ATI if it made them a graphics card sale.

neo202020 · 20 Apr 2007 at 09:56

The Asgard said:
However would Joe public know or care??

Joe Public buys a Dell tbh. There are very few people who actually care about the R600

WJA96 · 20 Apr 2007 at 10:02

neo202020 said:
Joe Public buys a Dell tbh. There are very few people who actually care about the R600

It's hard to take, but true.

Dutch Guy · 20 Apr 2007 at 10:16

neo202020 said:
Joe Public buys a Dell tbh. There are very few people who actually care about the R600

True, I saw a % a few days ago that said how many people use integrated graphics compared to a dedicated GPU and AFAIR it was well over 60%

ihatelag · 20 Apr 2007 at 10:24

neo202020 said:
Joe Public buys a Dell tbh. There are very few people who actually care about the R600

Very very true.

The Asgard · 20 Apr 2007 at 10:42

neo202020 said:
Joe Public buys a Dell tbh. There are very few people who actually care about the R600

LOL. Might be worth reading all the relevant posts about the discussion

neo202020 · 20 Apr 2007 at 10:47

The Asgard said:
LOL. Might be worth reading all the relevant posts about the discussion

I have been, and I've participated in the discussion too. I was just reminding you that the vast majority of people don't care about crossfire/sli and the vast majority of the majority who don't care don't even know they exist. The SLI/Crossfire market is an enthusiast market, most people who consider having Sli/Crossfire know a bit about it.

I remember having a conversation with a co-worker who was about to spend over a grand on an I-book. I asked him why he had decided to buy one of them instead of a PC and he said "Well, I've got this friend and she's got this I-book, right, and it, like, well, it like works SO WELL!"