Gibbo is getting an R600!!

neo202020 · 16 Apr 2007 at 23:50

Kaiju said:
Exactly, it's called depreciation for all those who don't know and if you follow the market closely and sell your components just before they lose too much value, (preferably while keeping a laptop or second PC to tide you over till the next components come out), then you'll always stay ahead of the rat race.

I wouldn't quite go that far tbh, if you spend half the time on a second PC then what's the point? The way I do it is buy things that are on amazing one-off deals and then just sell what I have at an auction website full of stupid people...

Kaiju · 16 Apr 2007 at 23:58

neo202020 said:
I wouldn't quite go that far tbh, if you spend half the time on a second PC then what's the point? The way I do it is buy things that are on amazing one-off deals and then just sell what I have at an auction website full of stupid people...

As I said, it's preferable. All depends on the timing and what you want.

Basically just do the best you can, a lot of people work the market (yes, the stupid people

) and do very well for themselves indeed.

MikeHunt79 · 17 Apr 2007 at 02:18

I'd love one but I'm still running AGP. I'm gonna hold off until summers over, or the weather gets bad, then do a full upgrade. :cool:

Tute · 17 Apr 2007 at 02:26

MikeHunt79 said:
I'd love one but I'm still running AGP. I'm gonna hold off until summers over, or the weather gets bad, then do a full upgrade.

Sorry for OT, but you easily have the coolest sig on OcUK.

I could sit here clicking refresh all night and reading the tips while sniggering to myself, lol.

MikeHunt79 · 17 Apr 2007 at 03:12

Tute said:
Sorry for OT, but you easily have the coolest sig on OcUK.

I could sit here clicking refresh all night and reading the tips while sniggering to myself, lol.

Well, you're not the only one to drag this thread off topic.

I keep meaning to add some more... I've got another 40 or so yet to add.

eracer2006 · 17 Apr 2007 at 04:35

Athanor said:
People that bought GTX on release have paid more but have had 6 months extra use from a card they needed at the time.

needed for what ? my 200 pound x1950xt plays EVERYTHING on full settings.

eracer2006 · 17 Apr 2007 at 04:37

can we please stay on subject i neither care nor want to read about global warming or bad spelling/typos or illegal russians in THE R600 THREAD.

silversurfer · 17 Apr 2007 at 04:43

ATi is linked to them all

Dutch Guy · 17 Apr 2007 at 08:47

eracer2006 said:
needed for what ? my 200 pound x1950xt plays EVERYTHING on full settings.

That is personal, one person might find 4xAA/8xAF at 30fps playable and another wants 16xSSAA/16xAF at 60fps

That together with the improved AF quality on 8800 cards makes it a valid purchase 6 months ago (IMO off course)

If I would have waited for a R600 for 6 months only to find out is is just as fast as a 8800GTX I would be very annoyed as I would have missed out on 6 months gaming with a good card.

Tom|Nbk · 17 Apr 2007 at 09:17

Now it's final

DAAMIT will show the R600XT a 512 MB GDDR3 card next week but only under NDA. This card is ready from before Cebit days but the driver was not.

With a new driver called 8.361 the card has some fighting chance. The April 23rd and 24th are reserved for NDA presentation of the Radeon HD 2000 generation and this won't be the time for the official introduction.

The official introduction is scheduled for middle of May and we heard a few times that the guys are talking about the 14th of May as the official launch day.

R600XTX is delayed to June if not more as this GDDR4 card would be expensive and it doesn’t bring that much performance increase but the BOM (Build of Material) cost is much higher than with the GDDR3 R600XT card.

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=560&Itemid=1

All I can say is i told you so Ulf

.

Dutch Guy · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:06

14th of may, that is still a month away

Darkwave · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:32

Tom|Nbk said:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=560&Itemid=1

All I can say is i told you so Ulf .

I'm not sure why you're suddenly so happy that you have to wait another month, as last night you "told me" it was coming out Mon/Tue.

Seems AMD couldn't even keep that deadline and now this amazing "launch day" has been demoted to a simple presentation.

Absolutely useless.

I still think that this will be a paper launch, it's been vapourware until now.

pogger · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:32

eracer2006 said:
needed for what ? my 200 pound x1950xt plays EVERYTHING on full settings.

I have a X1900XTX, and its starting to NOT play everything at full res... at 2560x1600

Even games like CnC3 slow down noticeably. It doesnt jerk, but it plays everything at half speed if I turn FSAA on to full.

drak3 · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:39

pogger said:
I have a X1900XTX, and its starting to NOT play everything at full res... at 2560x1600 Even games like CnC3 slow down noticeably. It doesnt jerk, but it plays everything at half speed if I turn FSAA on to full.

CnC3 tops out at 1920x1200 let alone the resolutions you describe

These games are made for online multiplayer environments, therefore is not enought to be able to achive playable framerate on a static scene. You need to maintain playable framerate during the heat of the war were on average there are around 100 objects involved

drak3 · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:47

Ulfhedjinn said:
I'm not sure why you're suddenly so happy that you have to wait another month, as last night you "told me" it was coming out Mon/Tue. Seems AMD couldn't even keep that deadline and now this amazing "launch day" has been demoted to a simple presentation.

Absolutely useless.

I still think that this will be a paper launch, it's been vapourware until now.

A presentation is not useless, as long as there are some proper benchmark to boost the confidence in the product. If the product is of higher quality and performance than the competition, then the presentation will serve its purpose. Nevertheless, the card has been already produced, and for some uknown reason the manucactures are still working on the final touches. Would you like to buy an "unfinished" product either from ATI or Nvidia?

ps: Deadlines are set by prediction. Something unforseen pops, the deadline is no longer feasible.

Darkwave · 17 Apr 2007 at 10:54

drak3 said:
A presentation is not useless, as long as there are some proper benchmark to boost the confidence in the product.

The article says that the presentation will be under NDA, you won't see any benchmarks coming out of that room.

drak3 said:
If the product is of higher quality and performance than the competition, then the presentation will serve its purpose. Nevertheless, the card has been already produced, and for some uknown reason the manucactures are still working on the final touches. Would you like to buy an "unfinished" product either from ATI or Nvidia?

See, this is where it gets complicated. AMD already said quite some time ago that they could supposedly ship R600 if they wanted to, and it's turned out to be nothing more than more than another windbag statement to generate more hype, so I don't know why I should believe them now either.

R600 is turning into the hardware equivalent of Duke Nukem Forever, I'll be surprised if we even see it next month.

drak3 · 17 Apr 2007 at 11:06

Ulfhedjinn said:
The article says that the presentation will be under NDA, you won't see any benchmarks coming out of that room.

See, this is where it gets complicated. AMD already said quite some time ago that they could supposedly ship R600 if they wanted to, and it's turned out to be nothing more than more than another windbag statement to generate more hype, so I don't know why I should believe them now either.

R600 is turning into the hardware equivalent of Duke Nukem Forever, I'll be surprised if we even see it next month.

I see your point, but regarding the Non-disclosure Agreement is up to ATI to set the terms. They can allow a benchmark to go out in order to boost confidence. Otherwise, the presentation will be useless as you mentioned. Is up to them, and their marketing team's competence I guess

As for their statements about the card being "ready to ship", I can only guess that they run into problems and they are buying time. As history suggest, when a large scale project is about some novel technology, is almost certain that it will run into problems. Nvidia certainly run into these problems aswell, but in their case they could still release an inferior ( from the project spec plan) and still claim king (no competition). In this case, ATi is a follower, and if they want to claim king they need to adress every little problem and release a card according to the specification they set (which was to produce more performance of the competitors).

Its really complicated, and for consumers like you and me, the rational reactions are: "vapouware", "they are useless" etc. and its their problem to make us believe in them (Hence all the attempts to buy time and presentations etc), but for them is about surviving in the market and keeping a balanced environment (because without customer, a card is useless and without a card, there wont be customers anyway)

Darkwave · 17 Apr 2007 at 11:12

drak3 said:
I see your point, but regarding the Non-disclosure Agreement is up to ATI to set the terms. They can allow a benchmark to go out in order to boost confidence. Otherwise, the presentation will be useless as you mentioned. Is up to them, and their marketing team's competence I guess

They won't release any info from there if it's under NDA, it's probably just to demo it to big retailers etc.

drak3 said:
As for their statements about the card being "ready to ship", I can only guess that they run into problems and they are buying time. As history suggest, when a large scale project is about some novel technology, is almost certain that it will run into problems. Nvidia certainly run into these problems aswell, but in their case they could still release an inferior ( from the project spec plan) and still claim king (no competition). In this case, ATi is a follower, and if they want to claim king they need to adress every little problem and release a card according to the specification they set (which was to produce more performance of the competitors).

In AMD's defense, at least they didn't just release it and have it running on broken drivers for months on end like Nvidia have done, but the way they keep saying "it's ready, but you have to wait another month to see it" is really starting to get old as hell.

I am not even interested in buying R600, not the high-end ones anyway, but I just want the thing to come out so that we have interesting articles to read and discuss. It's been far too stagnant for the last few months.

drak3 said:
Its really complicated, and for consumers like you and me, the rational reactions are: "vapouware", "they are useless" etc. and its their problem to make us believe in them (Hence all the attempts to buy time and presentations etc), but for them is about surviving in the market.

To be honest, I think they should've just not said anything at all until about now when it was ready to at least demo to the big-wigs. I'm of the opinion though that we're being purposefuly strung along by marketing hype.

megatron · 17 Apr 2007 at 11:15

pogger said:
I have a X1900XTX, and its starting to NOT play everything at full res... at 2560x1600 Even games like CnC3 slow down noticeably. It doesnt jerk, but it plays everything at half speed if I turn FSAA on to full.

IIRC FSAA is an nvidia method, safer to go with driver forced AA. I know 1 game where if I enabled ingame AA I get 1fps, driver forced and its totally sweet (city of villains).

drak3 · 17 Apr 2007 at 11:32

Ulfhedjinn said:
They won't release any info from there if it's under NDA, it's probably just to demo it to big retailers etc.

In AMD's defense, at least they didn't just release it and have it running on broken drivers for months on end like Nvidia have done, but the way they keep saying "it's ready, but you have to wait another month to see it" is really starting to get old as hell.

I am not even interested in buying R600, not the high-end ones anyway, but I just want the thing to come out so that we have interesting articles to read and discuss. It's been far too stagnant for the last few months.

To be honest, I think they should've just not said anything at all until about now when it was ready to at least demo to the big-wigs. I'm of the opinion though that we're being purposefuly strung along by marketing hype.

Same here mate, I want competition for a healthy market with fair prices and choices.

However, we (consumers) have always been the prey in this market. I agree to your round up