Glasgow Airport-under attack
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dirtydog said:Why does Brown say he wants to retain the British way of life and then lets these... things... in?
Firstly, you mean people, not 'things', unless you really do consider yourself that much superior based on random factors.
Secondly, traditionally we have let people in with different views, customs and culture, and regularly imported good parts of their cultures into our own, and have done for centuries.
That doesn't mean we have to import aspects wholesale, we never have done and there's no reason to change that, but to pretend that Britian and England have been static culture and population wise is to totally ignore the history of this country.
Of course I consider myself superior to muppets like that. Don't you? And there is nothing random about itDolph said:
We haven't been importing much good in the last 60 years or so, have we. Just the dregs of other countries and alien races and cultures who degrade our society and our culture. Brown has no right to pretend he is a defender of our way of life.
dirtydog said:Of course I consider myself superior to muppets like that. Don't you? And there is nothing random about it
Consider myself superior enough to ignore their humanity? No, I don't. I may disagree with how they dress or what they believe, but that doesn't mean I will dehumanise them.
Brown probably doesn't, but your approach would do even more damage to our traditions than his has.
Now your real chance DD and co. Stop talking and do something about "it"
There are enough people that share your views and would support your actions.
Do it ! Lets do it ! Muslim bashing down Bradford way! burn the women and kids out of their houses and behead every male over 12
There are enough people that share your views and would support your actions.
Do it ! Lets do it ! Muslim bashing down Bradford way! burn the women and kids out of their houses and behead every male over 12
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I wonder what the value of this situation is... I think that Dolph and I are potentially two of the most level headed posters here and whilst I am steaming over something unrelated - this issue is one classic example of how arguments become emotional and claims become more exaggerated - EVERYONE is getting excited
Is it becasue this is a potentially important situation, and it somehow serves for us to polarise over it?
Is it becasue this is a potentially important situation, and it somehow serves for us to polarise over it?
dirtydog said:
yeah was slow, wasn't even sure if it got posted.
You have never and thats why nothing will ever change and you are being laughed at by these "terrorists" everyday. from behind their masks.
If i offered you a way to remove every Muslim from the Uk, maybe even the world, with a click of the fingers, but knowing everyone one of them would suffer an agonizing death at the hands of Englishmen, would you take it ?
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Are you saying that *you* advocate extreme violence against innocent people then?Efour2 said:yeah was slow, wasn't even sure if it got posted.
You have never and thats why nothing will ever change and you are being laughed at by these "terrorists" everyday. from behind their masks.
No I wouldn't. And such questions achieve nothing because we live in the real world, not a fantasy world. We have to deal with realities.
I do think that the situation will require real action one day and i don't think that and amount of talking or politics will ever solve it.
We are told that plenty of Muslims are willing to act for their cause, im just wondering how many "English" are ready to do the same for the British way of life.
So im bored of all the talking essentially and wondering who is going to lead us out of this crisis.
We are told that plenty of Muslims are willing to act for their cause, im just wondering how many "English" are ready to do the same for the British way of life.
So im bored of all the talking essentially and wondering who is going to lead us out of this crisis.
cleanbluesky said:
I think it's because for all the intelligent debate and evidence, there is no answer or resolve. Most people like their bad guys identifiable, understandable and so on. We need to know who they are, what they want and what they are willing to do so we can form a coherant strategy to deal with it. That's why people blame lax immigration (even though the earlier london attacks were committed by second generation immigrants, so current immigration policy is irrelevant), they blame religion, even though millions of people follow religions without doing anything like this. The problem with this approach is that it doesn't really help.
What people always want is a solution, and we all have different opinions of what that should be. There is no easy solution, but many people want to simplify it until there is, and that tends to favour hatred/dislike of a larger community in which the minority of troublemakers reside. I don't subscribe to the idea that the muslim community has to come out and condemn or distance theirselves from everything each time, but I can also certainly see how various parts of the muslim community haven't helped their case, or distanced themselves from it at all (we've all seen the surveys where a reasonablely large minority appear to agree or sympathise with the terrorists, for example).
I can be honest and say I don't know how to solve the situation, certainly not without throwing our countries traditions and freedoms out of the window. Ironically we only way we could definitely get a result would be to become more like a muslim or similar culture, where diversity is rejected, punished, where people are treated differently based on their beliefs and so on, but I certainly don't want that, and nor should anyone else who respects what Britian has traditionally been about.
