Golf R Estate

NathWraith · 26 Apr 2015 at 18:10

Love the look of the R estate. Uv seen more of this generation gold R than any of the previous ones on the road recently. Must be popular for a reason!

Kenai · 26 Apr 2015 at 18:31

NathWraith said:
Love the look of the R estate. Uv seen more of this generation gold R than any of the previous ones on the road recently. Must be popular for a reason!

Cheap lease deals

Blackhawk47 · 26 Apr 2015 at 18:31

rodenal said:
What a daft thing to say, throw some stuff, 1+ kids, a dog into the mix and you very very quickly want more boot space than an S3 can offer. Especially if you want to go anywhere with all the above for more than a day

How was I supposed to know he has 2 kids from reading the OP???

rodenal · 26 Apr 2015 at 18:41

Doesn't really matter if you have 0, 2 or 10 kids - people wanting an estate tend to want it for a specific reason. The sport back doesn't really serve the same purpose

Dogbreath · 26 Apr 2015 at 18:55

Axeboy said:
Personally, I do prefer estates, getting old or something but the space is handy

Me too; both getting old and preferring estates

Not only the practicality, but I actually prefer the styling of many modern estates over the hatch or saloon variants as well.

Chris344 · 26 Apr 2015 at 19:27

The R is such a beast, I have a MK7 GTI and when I see the R, I always think to myself that I should have gone R!

AndrewNR · 26 Apr 2015 at 19:43

xs2man said:
And what would that be? Do they do an estate, in this size, with 4wd and 300BHP?

The closest I would guess would be the 225i xDrive M Sport Active Tourer, which would be missing about 70BHP, but is, admittedly, £1500 less rrp. Or £700 more than the golf after discount (broadspeed).

Would be either the 330d xDrive or the 335d xDrive. However they're £4k (SE) and £9k (M Sport) more respectively and the 330d is less powerful (42hp), although the 335d is more (13hp).

The 330d xDrive is a contender IMO. Depends on power to weight ratio, standard equipment, if you can stand a dagadagadaga engine etc.

SDK^ · 26 Apr 2015 at 20:02

The BMW Touring xDrive models are only available in diesel which I want to avoid.

xs2man · 26 Apr 2015 at 20:45

AndrewNR said:
Would be either the 330d xDrive or the 335d xDrive. However they're £4k (SE) and £9k (M Sport) more respectively and the 330d is less powerful (42hp), although the 335d is more (13hp).

The 330d xDrive is a contender IMO. Depends on power to weight ratio, standard equipment, if you can stand a dagadagadaga engine etc.

The 3 series isn't a Golf equivalent though. That would be the A4. I'm not convinced the Passat sits there nowadays either. I think that is somewhere between the 3 and the 5 (or A4 and A6) now. Size wise of course. But then that is also why there is the large price difference too.

As I said, it's the 2 series active tourer that is the equivalent to the Golf estate.

GarethSouthgate · 26 Apr 2015 at 22:09

xs2man said:
The 3 series isn't a Golf equivalent though.

So? You're the only one that's looking at equivalents, the OP himself even considered the 3 series.

Participant · 27 Apr 2015 at 06:34

sigma said:
So? You're the only one that's looking at equivalents, the OP himself even considered the 3 series.

From the first paragraph in this thread:

SDK^ said:
My focus was on the BMW 3 & 5 Touring range but the cost with options was too much.

So yes he has considered the 3 series.

xs2man · 27 Apr 2015 at 07:56

sigma said:
So? You're the only one that's looking at equivalents, the OP himself even considered the 3 series.

It was a direct response to AndrewNR's comment.

AndrewNR said:
Still rather have the "Ultimate Driving Machine" equivalent though.

The 3 series isn't a Golf equivalent.

Participant said:
From the first paragraph in this thread:

So yes he has considered the 3 series.

I am aware of the requirements and what he has looked at. As I said above, it was merely a response to the "BMW equivalent" comment.

But as the OP himself mentioned, the 3 series wouldn't work, because it's too expensive. This is because it isn't the equivalent car.

I don't see what's so hard to grasp here?

Dogbreath · 27 Apr 2015 at 08:24

xs2man said:
But as the OP himself mentioned, the 3 series wouldn't work, because it's too expensive. This is because it isn't the equivalent car.

I don't see what's so hard to grasp here?

No sure, but I see you are having a hard time of grasping it. It's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a boring pedant that he would like a BMW of similar size to the Golf R estate, and a 3 series touring is almost exactly the same size in outside dimensions if not in interior space. The performance of the higher end models is also similar. The BMW is more expensive, as you'd expect.

Which BMW do you think is equivalent to the Golf R Estate?

xs2man · 27 Apr 2015 at 08:49

Dogbreath said:
No sure, but I see you are having a hard time of grasping it. It's pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a boring pedant that he would like a BMW of similar size to the Golf R estate, and a 3 series touring is almost exactly the same size in outside dimensions if not in interior space. The performance of the higher end models is also similar. The BMW is more expensive, as you'd expect.

Which BMW do you think is equivalent to the Golf R Estate?

I clearly stated it above. The 2 series active tourer is the Golf equivalent in the BMW range. With the soon to be released GranTourer being the actual equivalent of the Golf estate. They are of a similar size and similar price. And fight in the same corner of the market. There just isn't an "R" equivalent engine in the 2 series tourers.

I do get why people would consider the 3 series here, as the BMW equivalent. It is a small-ish estate. But that's where it ends.
It has never fought in the same class as the golf. You wouldn't put a Golf up against an A4 as they are in different classes. Maybe against a Passat though (the A4 and 3 series). That is part of the reason why they are so far apart in prices, and why it didn't work for the OP. You wouldn't expect to pay £9k more for a BMW over a VW in the same class. Maybe a couple grand, yes, as you would with an Audi (Golf vs A3 for example) but £9k is in a different class.

iaind · 27 Apr 2015 at 08:54

Good lord, it's 10 grand more expensive than the Octavia vRS, which is essentially the same car as a GTi. A remap gets it to the same 300bhp - thats a lot of money to pay for 4WD and a "prestigious" VW badge

Yaayuh! · 27 Apr 2015 at 09:01

I think it looks great (except the usual VAG 4 exhaust thing going on). Rather expensive though.

mattyg · 27 Apr 2015 at 09:02

[TW]Fox;27960758 said:
Except the OP, who says he spent a lot of time trying to make the numbers work on... a BMW.

Dangerous Dave said:
That is very true but the OP himself said in the first post he wanted a 3 or 5 series touring.

Ok I missed that bit. (must read more than just the headline)

Move along nothing to see hear.

Blackhawk47 · 27 Apr 2015 at 09:19

iaind said:
Good lord, it's 10 grand more expensive than the Octavia vRS, which is essentially the same car as a GTi. A remap gets it to the same 300bhp - thats a lot of money to pay for 4WD and a "prestigious" VW badge

So you'd remap a leased car m8?

Dr House · 27 Apr 2015 at 15:12

Blackhawk47 said:
So you'd remap a leased car m8?

He can just take if off before he give it back.

Re the OP.

Its a hell of a lot of money to spend on a car that does not have Nav, Leather, Camera ...... :eek:

EdGey · 27 Apr 2015 at 15:44

I didn't know this car existed. I think it's quite nice but when you put it beside it's competition it's surely not the greatest purchase. There are nicer looking more affordable cars which are available tomorrow.

But, if you prefer it's looks over the others then why the hell not?