Google Pixel and Pixel XL
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I'll certainly be waiting a while before ordering a Note 7 if it does get released - so far it seems to be the Snapdragon ones spontaneously combusting but I don't think (and I'm likely wrong here) the Exynos ones have in such large amounts. Personally, as much as I'd like a Note 7, I'd really need to weigh up if it's worth the effort considering the issues it's had.
The Pixel XL was always my likely backup once it was announced, I was leaning towards the S7E but a stock Android experience should be blisteringly fast, and hopefully means a phone without tons of bloatware. I'd like to see some proper reviews of it though before making a purchase - I guess we'll be seeing some this week hopefully.
Disappointed at the prices of the Pixels and the lack of immediate software support for the N6P but tempted by the cheaper Pixel @ £600. Just not sure whether to get from CPW with the £50 GooglePlay voucher or Google for their excellent warranty support.
My reading of the Verge link below suggests it is "full sized storage and video" for the life of your Pixel. Do you agree?
http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/4/1...ee-unlimited-original-quality-photo-and-video
To put things into perspective, 20 minutes of 4k footage equals around 100gb, so it's really not that much!
If you take loads of videos and photos, this makes the Pixel offer even more appealing.
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I went with CPW, surely any warranty will be dealt by Google anyway. Especially with the "live" support from the phone, as long as the phone is not dead of course.
A couple of months back I contacted Google about a died Nexus 6P quick charger (though it was a software glitch in the end) and he said if it or the phone needed replacing I'd have to go through CPW.
Though he was happy to give me support regarding things to try to remedy the problem, and thankfully that worked (as said it was the software side of quick charging rather than a hardware issue).
What? It's roughly 375mb/minute on the iPhone 6 (4k@30fps), for example.
You're right. My figures are for uncompressed files. (Basically sometimes you shouldn't quote the first thing that pops up in Google
)We are now getting a fuller explanation of why Google chose EIS for the camera rather than OIS, which has been discussed here as being something Google skimped on.
Google has said that the Pixel is the best smartphone camera ever, despite not having OIS and some here have raised this as a big concern.
So why EIS rather than OIS? This is the explanation from a Google employee today on G+, a guy called IsaacOnCamera:
EIS and OIS have very different goals, so you can't compare them to ask which is better/worse. OIS primarily improves low light photography by physically compensating for hand shake within each single frame, and EIS improves shaky video by maintaining a consistent framing between multiple video frames. OIS is primarily for photo, and EIS is only for video.
Where OIS helps is still low-light photos. It compensates for hand shake, allowing longer exposures in low light, but this in turn increases motion blur within the frame. And it comes with all kinds of tradeoffs, starting off with its physical size (meaning it would be harder to produce the slim/small device that Pixel is).
And despite lacking OIS, Pixel is still very strong in still low-light photos, beating other cameras that do have OIS modules. That's a testament to its world-class software algorithms, notably HDR+. And with software algorithms instead of OIS hardware, Pixel can get better and better over time.
At the end of the day, Pixel takes some of the best low-light photos you'll find on any smartphone, even without OIS. And that's what really matters -- better pictures, not how Pixel does it.
Google has said that the Pixel is the best smartphone camera ever, despite not having OIS and some here have raised this as a big concern.
So why EIS rather than OIS? This is the explanation from a Google employee today on G+, a guy called IsaacOnCamera:
EIS and OIS have very different goals, so you can't compare them to ask which is better/worse. OIS primarily improves low light photography by physically compensating for hand shake within each single frame, and EIS improves shaky video by maintaining a consistent framing between multiple video frames. OIS is primarily for photo, and EIS is only for video.
Where OIS helps is still low-light photos. It compensates for hand shake, allowing longer exposures in low light, but this in turn increases motion blur within the frame. And it comes with all kinds of tradeoffs, starting off with its physical size (meaning it would be harder to produce the slim/small device that Pixel is).
And despite lacking OIS, Pixel is still very strong in still low-light photos, beating other cameras that do have OIS modules. That's a testament to its world-class software algorithms, notably HDR+. And with software algorithms instead of OIS hardware, Pixel can get better and better over time.
At the end of the day, Pixel takes some of the best low-light photos you'll find on any smartphone, even without OIS. And that's what really matters -- better pictures, not how Pixel does it.
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I would honestly pay the extra (?) with Google just because they'll replace the phone for two years from purchase if you have any hardware issues.
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S7E looks much nicer, great battery, super fast and the bloatware is minimal these days. Cant see much going for the Pixel other than faster updates/marginally newer software.
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Pixel phone will be faster, will have to wait and see how much by, also for me I really can't stand touchwiz, even this new better version is just annoying, I now really dislike physically buttons, moreover having them in the wrong location. Ive already moved on too Type-C so going backwards is difficult too. The S7E will win out on design, and IP58 rating for me. Rest is somewhat up in the air for me personally, will wait for reviews too see battery life, performance (SoC and storage), camera.
I predict a humongous price drop after Xmas, when they realise how ridiculous their sales estimates are at this price point; I'd snap up a 32GB XL for ~500.
Just very disappointed at the dearth of any solid new Android devices... (Nexus 6 user at present)
Just very disappointed at the dearth of any solid new Android devices... (Nexus 6 user at present)
I am looking forward to the first official reviews coming out in approximately 10 days time. With the official launch on 20 October, I suggest that the informal embargo will then be lifted and there will be a rush of reviews.
Stay tuned.
I have an s7e and it's pretty good but considering switching to the Pixel because the software seems so much better. Touch wiz on the s7 is pretty decent but mine lags a fair bit now and then and I won't see nougat till next year. If Samsung can finally get the software right it'd be great. But IMO they're still not quite there.
Are CPW really that horrible to deal with now? About 10 years ago when I used them and had a problem with the phone they replaced it no question asked and when the 2nd one had the same problem (think it was the same problem) they refunded me straight away too. Both issues were within few days of ownership but couldn't really fault their customer service.