Poll: Gordon Brown - yeh or ney

[Christo]

Welcome to OcUK.

Official home of Right wing England.

Enjoy Your stay.

Labour/Blair/Brown have also done a lot of good in this country, especially with helping to provide services to the deprived areas and provide access to these services to the people who need them to help try and make their lives better and maybe turn some of these people around and help break the cycle they have been born into.

Yes, all of us with our comfortable homes, clothes on our back, food in our fridges and common sense all complain when we dont get anything ourselves... is it ourselves who need the additional support?

Yes, lets all vote Tory and keep the less fortunate/unlucky where they belong, in the gutter

LOL! If its anyone who will put is in the gutter its Labour, bad for business = bad for the economy = kless clothes on YOUR back.

And Labour have helped people in poorer areas??? They have centralised Hospitals, shifting services away from less populous areas. Taxes have also gone UP.

 

[Visage]

Ive read a lot about the Political State of the UK on here and other places, We also get bits and peices about the UK politics and its happening down here.
I wouldnt say i know as well as you lot but i know a bit about whats happening over there

Given taht the OCuK forums are incredibly unrepresentative of the political alignment of the UK as a whole, Im not sure that reading them constitutes an understanding of the UK political landscape.

 

[Garrett]

Brown will be much worse and also the undoing of the labour party.

He simply will not be able to hold the party together.

The only chance Labour have at winning the next election is to find another leader who can unite the old left and the reforming sides of the party.

I'm a Tory by the way, so I'm loving it

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Ive read a lot about the Political State of the UK on here and other places, We also get bits and peices about the UK politics and its happening down here.
I wouldnt say i know as well as you lot but i know a bit about whats happening over there

i'll put it another way.
you almost certainly have a better idea about UK politics and their climate than i do about the same subject in Oz.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Given taht the OCuK forums are incredibly unrepresentative of the political alignment of the UK as a whole, Im not sure that reading them constitutes an understanding of the UK political landscape.

i don't think you can restrict your above point to politics my friend

a biased view on many topics is freely available in here

 

[neocon]

I've never voted, I can't be bothered.

If there was a celeb to vote for, I might be persuaded.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I'm a Tory by the way, so I'm loving it

i genuinely hope the Conservatives gain power at the next general election.
it'll be entertaining to give them a few years than be able to say "i told you so".
seriously the number of people that bitch about Labour will be trotting out EXACTLY the same sentences with the word Labour replaced by the word Conservative.

"bloody new Tories....they're just the Labour party repackaged"...you heard it here first

 

[Visage]

I've never voted, I can't be bothered.

If there was a celeb to vote for, I might be persuaded.

And that, in anutshell, is the problem. You'd rather vote for some non-entity from X-factor than someone with a coherent policy platform.

 

[Visage]

i genuinely hope the Conservatives gain power at the next general election.
it'll be entertaining to give them a few years than be able to say "i told you so".
seriously the number of people that bitch about Labour will be trotting out EXACTLY the same sentences with the word Labour replaced by the word Conservative.

"bloody new Tories....they're just the Labour party repackaged"...you heard it here first

Especially given that the biggest gripe against Labour is over the level of taxation, and the Tories have already admitted that they will not be cutting taxes.....

 

[neocon]

I'd vote for someone who was no nonsense.

Action hero celeb. Can't think of any British ones though.

 

[dirtydog]

family tax credits and minimum wage.
2 things that would NEVER have been introduced under a blue flag.
i can think of dozens of people that i know that would say you're wrong about that.

I would have agreed with you in the past, but I am now not convinced that the minimum wage is as good for low paid people as you might believe - in fact I believe it is arguably very counter-productive, especially for single people. If someone earning £200pw on minimum wage still needs to claim housing benefit and council tax benefit in order to survive, then they are no better off than if they only earned £100pw. That is the situation many people find themselves in.

The whole tax credits system is a dog's dinner, rife with incompetence and fraud - much like the whole benefits system in fact, which under Labour has grown increasingly complex and bloated. It rewards those who do not work and who have kids over those who do work and are childless.

 

[Zip]

i'll put it another way.
you almost certainly have a better idea about UK politics and their climate than i do about the same subject in Oz.
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We are always forgotten among the 3 Big Allies of the UK the USA and Aus

Well a quick rundown.
Liberal have been in power for over 8 years(Could be 12 now) And John Howard has been in power.
The Labour Opposition leader is Big Fat ol Kim Beasley that Retired after2 defeats then Mark Latham Became Opposition Leader and lost and Retired and Wrote a book about all the bad things about Labour and Politics, Now Kim Beasley is opposition leader again.
Next Election Im Voting for Liberal because last time Labour was In Government it Racked up huge Bills, Messed the country up and Liberal have only just got Australia out of Debt.
Plus John Howard Stands up to what he believes in and doesnt let people push him around

Oh one of the PMs we once had a couple decades ago used to hold the World record for drinking a Certain amount of Beer in a Certain amount of time


Edit:How does Labour Remain in labour over there if they are so bad?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Especially given that the biggest gripe against Labour is over the level of taxation, and the Tories have already admitted that they will not be cutting taxes.....

i have no firm allegiance with either of the main 2 parties, preferring to make my mind up on which i think would be most beneficial for the country.
as such, while i've always voted Labour i can not say i would never vote conservative and IMHO anyone that says they will always be (insert party name here) is a fool as parties and their policies are ever-evolving.

in what is effectively a two party system we are always going to have to choose the lesser of two evils...i just happen to think Labour at the moment are a better choice for the UK than the tories.

if the Tories and the severe whupping they've recieved over recent years has genuinely made them re-assess what thr public REALLY want...and actually intend to try to give it to them then i'd gladly vote for them.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

The whole tax credits system is a dog's dinner, rife with incompetence and fraud - much like the whole benefits system in fact, which under Labour has grown increasingly complex and bloated. It rewards those who do not work and who have kids over those who do work and are childless.

when writing my previous post i had in mind a couple of my closest friends, both of whom are single mums and have openly said to me that if it were not for the tax credit system they couldn't afford to work.
honestly mate i'm being straight with you on this.

 

[neocon]

I think the government needs to develop the movie/entertainment/porn industries in this conutry.

The casino thing is a good move.

Everything should be privatized, except the army. Health care, Schools Police, Uni's, Council's ALL private.

Build super prisons. Make inmates do labour.

Arm the police with glocks and mp5's.

I'm not sure what to do about chavs.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

We are always forgotten among the 3 Big Allies of the UK the USA and Aus

some of us are more interested in history that others.
the Oz soldiers are far from forgotten.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I'd vote for someone with no sense

Edited, hoping you meant you intended to vote for Brown

 

[dirtydog]

when writing my previous post i had in mind a couple of my closest friends, both of whom are single mums and have openly said to me that if it were not for the tax credit system they couldn't afford to work.
honestly mate i'm being straight with you on this.

Perhaps they shouldn't have had kids then, or are we not allowed to say that because it isn't politically correct

I realise that the benefits system does help people to work who couldn't otherwise afford to - and I myself am among them. While I strongly disagree with the benefits system in its current guise, that doesn't mean I won't take advantage of everything I can from it. But I would happily see the rules tightened up to disadvantage me, so long as they applied to everyone else too. Having millions of people on sickness benefits who aren't really sick, and having millions of people with kids being handed a good living who haven't worked a day in their lives, is just not acceptable to me.

 

[Zip]

I forgot to mention, When we turn 18 its compulsory for us to vote at elections

 

[The_Dark_Side]

Perhaps they shouldn't have had kids then, or are we not allowed to say that because it isn't politically correct

no, you're not allowed to say it because neither of the girls i mentioned happen to be gifted with the power of prophecy.
had they been bestowed with said power they would've no doubt foreseen both of their partners decide to leave them.
hindsight is always 20/20....something i'd expect someone of your intellect to already know.

I realise that the benefits system does help people to work who couldn't otherwise afford to - and I myself am among them. While I strongly disagree with the benefits system in its current guise, that doesn't mean I won't take advantage of everything I can from it. But I would happily see the rules tightened up to disadvantage me, so long as they applied to everyone else too. Having millions of people on sickness benefits who aren't really sick, and having millions of people with kids being handed a good living who haven't worked a day in their lives, is just not acceptable to me.

the rest of the above debates other elements of the benfit system, which i neither agree with or mentioned in the first place.going back to my actual argument, while i'm aware of the media stories RE tax credits i have to call things as i see them and the examples i personally know of all are extremely grateful for the system being in place.

now to your point.
the benefit system has been abused for decades and i don't see a marked increase in it's abuse between the end of the tories last term and now.