Poll: Gordon Brown - yeh or ney

[dirtydog]

Yes, lets all vote Tory and keep the less fortunate/unlucky where they belong, in the gutter

I am a traditional Labour supporter and I have voted for Blair twice, in 1997 and 2001, before I woke up and realised that his party have done nothing for their core supporters and nothing for the low paid working man and woman. It is harder for those people now than it was under Thatcher and that is a fact.

 

[Zip]

they're all the same

People who say that are Really Naive

Its not Directed at you Chunky, Just people that say that must be too not see the difference of them and the Pros and Cons of different Candidates and parties

 

[dirtydog]

People who say that are Really Naive

Its not Directed at you Chunky, Just people that say that must be too not see the difference of them and the Pros and Cons of different Candidates and parties

You can't get a cigarette paper between the current main parties so he's basically right... I really don't believe that Cameron is the answer to our nation's problems. Nor is anyone in the current parliamentary Labour party that I know of. Another election where I don't vote coming up, I feel.

 

[Zip]

You can't get a cigarette paper between the current main parties so he's basically right... I really don't believe that Cameron is the answer to our nation's problems. Nor is anyone in the current parliamentary Labour party that I know of. Another election where I don't vote coming up, I feel.

Is there only 2 partys over there or are you just counting the only 2 that stand a chance?

 

[PaulStat]

Is there only 2 partys over there or are you just counting the only 2 that stand a chance?

The only 2 that stand a chance, there's 3 main parties in the UK: Labour, Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats. For the last 25 years + the UK government has either been torie or labour.

 

[Zip]

I see

If they are All so terrible why dont you all go out and Campaign for a Party you like and agree with and get people to take notice of them rather then Bitching about Labour and Liberal on an Internet forum?

 

[Chronos-X]

The only 2 that stand a chance, there's 3 main parties in the UK: Labour, Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats. For the last 25 years + the UK government has either been torie or labour.

Has it ever been anyone else? I ask this as a genuine question.

 

[dirtydog]

If they are All so terrible why dont you all go out and Campaign for a Party you like and agree with and get people to take notice of them

Because it would be utterly futile and pointless? Particularly under our current electoral system. If we had PR then there might be a point.

 

[Zip]

Because it would be utterly futile and pointless? Particularly under our current electoral system. If we had PR then there might be a point.

Who knows, If as many people hate the current ones in the real world as they do on here then you might be able to persuade people to vote for a different party all together.

This Forums has people from all over Briton so all corners are covered if you lot decided to work out a plan of some sort.

 

[PaulStat]

Has it ever been anyone else? I ask this as a genuine question.

Not in my life time, but yes Lib Dems have been in power before, though don't ask me who the PM was? Lloyd George maybe

 

[Visage]

Not in my life time, but yes Lib Dems have been in power before, though don't ask me who the PM was? Lloyd George maybe

Give that man a biscuit. LLoyd George was the last non Labour/Tory PM. Towards the end of WW1, IIRC.

 

[Visage]

Because it would be utterly futile and pointless? Particularly under our current electoral system. If we had PR then there might be a point.

The problem with PR, as I see it, is that it gives immense power to small parties, so that, far from being more democratic, it actually concentrates power in the hands of a smaller number of voters.

 

[dirtydog]

The problem with PR, as I see it, is that it gives immense power to small parties, so that, far from being more democratic, it actually concentrates power in the hands of a smaller number of voters.

It's all down to whether you want perpetual minority rule as we have in the UK currently, aka 'strong government', or representative majority rule, aka 'weak government' - both may be far from perfect and I guess there is no right or wrong answer. I would like to believe that the latter would be better - at least it would be democratic - but we'd need to try it to know for sure I guess.

 

[Jimbeam3678]

Nope not for me

 

[Visage]

It's all down to whether you want perpetual minority rule as we have in the UK currently, aka 'strong government', or representative majority rule, aka 'weak government' - both may be far from perfect and I guess there is no right or wrong answer. I would like to believe that the latter would be better - at least it would be democratic - but we'd need to try it to know for sure I guess.

Well if you define 'minority rule' as the winning party getting less than 50% of the elctorates votes, then i'm not sure that any system could acheive that - on turnouts as low as the 70-ish % we saw in the last gfeneral election that would require the winning party to get 71% of all votes cast, and that simply wont happen in any time soon.

 

[afraser2k]

I think he'll be worse for the UK, certainly for Scotland. A recent poll in a local Sunday tabloid had the SNPs support near-equal to New Labours now, especially with the infighting between Brown and Blair. If the SNP gets a lot of support in Scotland and the Tories win the UK elections then there will be even more calls for independence (or at the very least trouble over Scottish MP voting rights in "English matters").

Then yesterday Jack McConnell announced his support for a St. Andrews Day national holiday for us, just coincidentally a couple of days after the SNP was shown to have gained so much support now. This was after years of saying he was against it for business reasons.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/5334506.stm

With the Scottish parliament elections in eight months time it sounds like a good opportunity to get rid of Blair if New Labour do badly here and I expect it to be a turning point for their support in the UK as a whole.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I also think he would be more of an individual leader than Blair has been, less prone to seeking the counsel of his cohorts and minions.

so essentially another Mrs.T?
IMHO a leader that confers with his cabinet is far better than one who thinks their opinion is the only valid one.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I am a traditional Labour supporter and I have voted for Blair twice, in 1997 and 2001, before I woke up and realised that his party have done nothing for their core supporters and nothing for the low paid working man and woman. It is harder for those people now than it was under Thatcher and that is a fact.

family tax credits and minimum wage.
2 things that would NEVER have been introduced under a blue flag.
i can think of dozens of people that i know that would say you're wrong about that.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

People who say that are Really Naive

Its not Directed at you Chunky, Just people that say that must be too not see the difference of them and the Pros and Cons of different Candidates and parties

i may be out on a limb here, but as an australian, are you upto speed with the current political climate of the UK?

 

[Zip]

i may be out on a limb here, but as an australian, are you upto speed with the current political climate of the UK?

Ive read a lot about the Political State of the UK on here and other places, We also get bits and peices about the UK politics and its happening down here.
I wouldnt say i know as well as you lot but i know a bit about whats happening over there