Got My LG 55" OLED B6V yesterday and installed OHHH WOW

spikerules · 4 Nov 2016 at 13:48

FrankJH said:
Rather strange to say the least to compare the cinema to OLED / LCD in the first place

Despite that, this isnt even remotely true of the current tests anyway, its peak brightness in a very small area of screen (not the whole screen as you seem to suggest) which is a reasonable way of testing whether a device is capable of premium HDR and therefore allows the director to fathom what bright / shadow details will be descernable to those paying / viewing

According to AVF currently this is not possible

Obviously with some tv's a calibration is required as out of the box settings arent great - and on other sets its not required at all as some are actually delivered as virtually perfect - but there does appear to be a fault with some versions of HDR 10 I believe where the hardware is clipping it severely and no amount of calibration will make any difference.

Whether bios /firmware updates will make a difference is so far unclear but seems unlikely

Exactly. The brightness of the image you are seeing isn't the whole screen (well the whole screen can do 1000nits but not the point here), but the subtle graduations contrast within the scene. To say "Why do people want such bright screens" isn't understanding the issue at all.

arctine said:
I set the OLED lighting to 50% when watching in a lit room. Anything more is too bright, people falling for this whole nit ploy need to actually try these things out.

Again you are not understanding what HDR is or how it is used. It isn't about the whole brightness of the screen, but the graduations of brightness the screen can determine WITHIN the picture/scene. Think of a lamp in a dark room. The lamp is the bright part and the darkness is the lower end of the spectrum. It's more about looking at the difference between that bright lamp and the dark background and keeping the detail in BOTH.

Bigpig · 4 Nov 2016 at 14:58

Do you guys know about the firmware update which has reduced the clipping?

spikerules said:
Then you'd be losing a lot of detail, but if you would prefer a TV that isn't 100% HDR and like SDR material then go for it! I know why you would take OLED and it's your personal opinion, but for me I wouldn't be able to take the loss of detail in the highlights It's a shame as everything else about OLED tech is so good.

It's not as bad as you are making it out. Yes you lose a little detail in shadows.

I had a 10Bit HDR premium LCD TV. It went back to the shop after 2 week.

spikerules · 4 Nov 2016 at 15:05

Bigpig said:
Do you guys know about the firmware update which has reduced the clipping?

It's not as bad as you are making it out. Yes you lose a little detail in shadows.

I had a 10Bit HDR premium LCD TV. It went back to the shop after 2 week.

No you don't! You don't lose any detail in the shadows of OLED. Or are you talking about LED LCD?

I would also like to know what HDR content you watched on the TV and the make and model of he TV?

Bigpig · 4 Nov 2016 at 16:31

spikerules said:
No you don't! You don't lose any detail in the shadows of OLED. Or are you talking about LED LCD?

I would also like to know what HDR content you watched on the TV and the make and model of he TV?

Its probably my settings. I Have noticed a little bit of crushed blacks on some content.

I have UHD dvds and Netflix.

The TV was the KS7000. The PQ was fantastic but coming from a plasma was hard getting used to LCD.

Yas786 · 4 Nov 2016 at 20:32

So in the market for a new tv and as I'm getting sky q installed next week, it's time to upgrade my old but very good Panasonic plasma tv.

So went to Currys earlier tonight and was looking at the LG OLED 4K sets, lovely picture and was blown away by them. Looking at the 55" set but soon as I saw the blacks I was a bit disappointed as it is so black that any sort of small details are completely lost.

Anyhow I've now got to decide between the LG OLED or the Panasonic 58" 4K set, the 902 series model which in itself is an unbelievable picture. At the moment I'm leaning towards the Panasonic set but then I liked the LG OLED set too. Colours wise it looked very good but the lost details in the blacks were a bit disconcerting.

spikerules · 4 Nov 2016 at 20:55

Yas786 said:
So in the market for a new tv and as I'm getting sky q installed next week, it's time to upgrade my old but very good Panasonic plasma tv.

So went to Currys earlier tonight and was looking at the LG OLED 4K sets, lovely picture and was blown away by them. Looking at the 55" set but soon as I saw the blacks I was a bit disappointed as it is so black that any sort of small details are completely lost.

Anyhow I've now got to decide between the LG OLED or the Panasonic 58" 4K set, the 902 series model which in itself is an unbelievable picture. At the moment I'm leaning towards the Panasonic set but then I liked the LG OLED set too. Colours wise it looked very good but the lost details in the blacks were a bit disconcerting.

That's odd and worrying. There should be more detail in the blacks for OLED. Must be a calibration thing. Was this HDR or SDR material?

spikerules · 4 Nov 2016 at 22:33

Interesting read for anyone wondering what the public favoured when comparing HDR content from LCD vs OLED.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ed-in-public-tv-shoot-out-shock/#24070fe66fde

Spoiler. OLED came in third. Samsung ES9500 and Panny DX902 were first and second respectively.

Bigpig · 5 Nov 2016 at 05:24

spikerules said:
Interesting read for anyone wondering what the public favoured when comparing HDR content from LCD vs OLED.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ed-in-public-tv-shoot-out-shock/#24070fe66fde

Spoiler. OLED came in third. Samsung ES9500 and Panny DX902 were first and second respectively.

I have said this to a number of people over voice chat while gaming.

HDR is more noticeable on the LCD I had.

But in my eyes that more do so with how good SDR looked on the OLED.
It's still a big improvement.

but here comes the problem with HDR on most LCD screens. HDR will inchance any flaws as the brightness and contrast are increased. This is one of the reasons why the KS7000 went back. Haloing/bleed.

Would love to give that 75" made to order Sony TV a go mind.

spikerules · 5 Nov 2016 at 05:54

Bigpig said:
I have said this to a number of people over voice chat while gaming.

HDR is more noticeable on the LCD I had.

But in my eyes that more do so with how good SDR looked on the OLED.
It's still a big improvement.

but here comes the problem with HDR on most LCD screens. HDR will inchance any flaws as the brightness and contrast are increased. This is one of the reasons why the KS7000 went back. Haloing/bleed.

Would love to give that 75" made to order Sony TV a go mind.

Yup exactly. It's whether you can stand the flaws that come with the HDR image. Prolonged viewing of the image might start getting to me. At first it will look great and then after a while my eyes will always start to look at the artefacts that accompany HDR LCD.

Though I want the best possible HDR image so I'm still leaning toward the Sammy KS800, which I understand is great at HDR content, more so than the KS7000.

picnic · 5 Nov 2016 at 08:51

Yas786 said:
So went to Currys earlier tonight and was looking at the LG OLED 4K sets, lovely picture and was blown away by them. Looking at the 55" set but soon as I saw the blacks I was a bit disappointed as it is so black that any sort of small details are completely lost.

Don't think demoing picture quality in Currys is a sensible approach sadly. I visited ours a month or 2 back and you'd never buy a Samsung if you saw the blacks in their sample clips. I couldn't believe anyone would be happy with large rectangles of different blacks. I concluded that had to be the way the TV was configured as reviews are so good. They also wouldn't let me watch anything on the sets other than the demo reel they were looping.

jpaul · 5 Nov 2016 at 10:30

The forbes article was not clear on the viewing/ambiant light used for the test, per this article hdr mastering is for dark environment, whcih is not what you get in Curry's; but I am not sure many people genuinely watch tv in the dark either ? (the sample size for forbes was not large either - statistically significiant ?)

I thought oled was disadvantaged vs led in lighter environments, since can neither be as bright relative to ambiant vs led, nor is the perfect black (and maybe black detail) as discernible, since have a high contrast anyway with a lighter ambiant.
but whether the set in Curry's had a poor gamma adjustement too high so that black were crushed.
Conversely for led viewing in the dark - I guess the ambi-light is the attempt to work around the poor blacks by increasing contrast (and hiding them)

Yas786 · 5 Nov 2016 at 14:53

picnic said:
Don't think demoing picture quality in Currys is a sensible approach sadly. I visited ours a month or 2 back and you'd never buy a Samsung if you saw the blacks in their sample clips. I couldn't believe anyone would be happy with large rectangles of different blacks. I concluded that had to be the way the TV was configured as reviews are so good. They also wouldn't let me watch anything on the sets other than the demo reel they were looping.

Indeed, currys isn't exactly the best place to view TVs but sadly they don't have proper set ups like you do in say the independent retailers.

Anyhow after much umm'ing and ahh'ing I decided to go for the 58" Panasonic 4K set, the 902 series. Seeing as I have a plasma Panasonic which has been faultless, decided to stick with Panasonic and the one I've bought is pretty highly rated. Got it for £1949 with a tv stand and soundbar, all in all cost me close to £2400.

Should have it with me by 15th Nov as my sky q is being installed on thurs this week. Means I have an extra week to wait but meh not too fussed by the wait. The guy at currys also threw in an optical cable and 2 hdmi cables as well.

snarloas1982 · 6 Nov 2016 at 16:42

Yas786 said:
Indeed, currys isn't exactly the best place to view TVs but sadly they don't have proper set ups like you do in say the independent retailers.

Anyhow after much umm'ing and ahh'ing I decided to go for the 58" Panasonic 4K set, the 902 series. Seeing as I have a plasma Panasonic which has been faultless, decided to stick with Panasonic and the one I've bought is pretty highly rated. Got it for £1949 with a tv stand and soundbar, all in all cost me close to £2400.

Should have it with me by 15th Nov as my sky q is being installed on thurs this week. Means I have an extra week to wait but meh not too fussed by the wait. The guy at currys also threw in an optical cable and 2 hdmi cables as well.

What plasma did you have? I have a vt20 and vt50 but im reluctant to move to a led set. I know the 902 gets good reviews and it uses the FALD technology but im quite fussy with colour's and black levels. Let us know what you think. I'm looking to upgrade myself but OLED is more what im looking for.

VincentHanna · 6 Nov 2016 at 17:58

snarloas1982 said:
What plasma did you have? I have a vt20 and vt50 but im reluctant to move to a led set. I know the 902 gets good reviews and it uses the FALD technology but im quite fussy with colour's and black levels. Let us know what you think. I'm looking to upgrade myself but OLED is more what im looking for.

I've got a VT50 and moved it to the bedroom when I replaced it with a 4k LED in 2014.

Other than native 4k content/gaming (Netflix/PC) the VT50 is just as good really.

snarloas1982 · 6 Nov 2016 at 18:10

VincentHanna said:
I've got a VT50 and moved it to the bedroom when I replaced it with a 4k LED in 2014.

Other than native 4k content/gaming (Netflix/PC) the VT50 is better for everything.

Appreciated answer. I'm happy with 1080p but the 4k football and the ps4 pro is giving me an itch. I just don't want to rush out and be disappointed in several months time.

I will never forget trying to watch a horror movie on the lcd i had and i couldn't make out what was happening with the poor black levels. I went down to Richer Sounds in frustration and asked what was the best at the time.

Avatar on the vt20 was on demo and i was sold straight away.

Yas786 · 6 Nov 2016 at 19:36

snarloas1982 said:
What plasma did you have? I have a vt20 and vt50 but im reluctant to move to a led set. I know the 902 gets good reviews and it uses the FALD technology but im quite fussy with colour's and black levels. Let us know what you think. I'm looking to upgrade myself but OLED is more what im looking for.

I've got the GT30 plasma 47" Panasonic. It's a great set, love it to bits but as I'm getting sky q this week, I thought it's time to upgrade as the sky q I have had 4K content then also my Netflix has 4K content.

From the time I spent in store looking at the 4K tv I've gone for, my personal opinion is that it looks much nicer than what I have at the moment. As I said I plumped for the top end Panasonic 4K set, which is the 902 series but the 58". Haven't got enough space for the 65". Even the 58" is going to be kinda huge but I did a lot of research before going for the Panasonic set

From what I have ie customer and industry reviews, it's one of the best sets around other than the LG OLED sets. But as I said a page back or so, I wasn't that impressed with the blacks on the LG OLED screens, to me it looked like a lot of detail gets missed in the blacks of the LG OLED screens. But when I compared the LG and Panasonic sets, the Panasonic wasn't that shabby at blacks. To me it looked par with the plasma I have at the moment.
M but that's my personal opinion, if I was you I'd go have a look at it before making up your mind.

I will say this I am a Panasonic fanboi due to the superb plasma I have at the moment. Not sure if I'll be keeping my Panasonic plasma, probably sell it as I just do not have the room to keep it. Could put it in my room for my Xbox but it would look too big in my small room, my 32" LCD looks big in my room as it is.

Once I have it up and running I'll post my thoughts on it.

snarloas1982 · 6 Nov 2016 at 20:39

Yas786 said:
I've got the GT30 plasma 47" Panasonic. It's a great set, love it to bits but as I'm getting sky q this week, I thought it's time to upgrade as the sky q I have had 4K content then also my Netflix has 4K content.

From the time I spent in store looking at the 4K tv I've gone for, my personal opinion is that it looks much nicer than what I have at the moment. As I said I plumped for the top end Panasonic 4K set, which is the 902 series but the 58". Haven't got enough space for the 65". Even the 58" is going to be kinda huge but I did a lot of research before going for the Panasonic set

From what I have ie customer and industry reviews, it's one of the best sets around other than the LG OLED sets. But as I said a page back or so, I wasn't that impressed with the blacks on the LG OLED screens, to me it looked like a lot of detail gets missed in the blacks of the LG OLED screens. But when I compared the LG and Panasonic sets, the Panasonic wasn't that shabby at blacks. To me it looked par with the plasma I have at the moment.
M but that's my personal opinion, if I was you I'd go have a look at it before making up your mind.

I will say this I am a Panasonic fanboi due to the superb plasma I have at the moment. Not sure if I'll be keeping my Panasonic plasma, probably sell it as I just do not have the room to keep it. Could put it in my room for my Xbox but it would look too big in my small room, my 32" LCD looks big in my room as it is.

Once I have it up and running I'll post my thoughts on it.

I'll admit I'm a panny fanboi myself now. The 902 sits around 2k but the oled panny sits around 5k.i haven't seen it yet and I wouldnt pay that sort of money but I want to see it before I decide.

Yas786 · 6 Nov 2016 at 22:51

snarloas1982 said:
I'll admit I'm a panny fanboi myself now. The 902 sits around 2k but the oled panny sits around 5k.i haven't seen it yet and I wouldnt pay that sort of money but I want to see it before I decide.

Yeh they have an OLED for Panasonic but it's ridiculously over priced but it's meant to be the best of the best.

Looking at the prices of the LG OLED screens, they are pricey but the picture ok then is pretty impressive even though I wasn't too enthused about the detail missing from the blacks.

I would imagine a high end retailer would have one to show, the Panasonic OLED set but it's not something that currys or even richer sounds have to show or sell.

The 902 58" is down to £1949 or if look online, you can pick them up for about £1800. So not a bad price considering, think the original price was around £2200 for the 58" inch. The 65" inch of the same series was around £2500 in currys.

jpaul · 6 Nov 2016 at 23:50

Another Panasonic picture&build quality fan - consider purchasing, so called, refurb from their ebay store currently 58" 902 1.5K ( oled 65" cz952-lg panel, 3.5k )

FrankJH · 7 Nov 2016 at 11:29

spikerules said:
Interesting read for anyone wondering what the public favoured when comparing HDR content from LCD vs OLED.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ed-in-public-tv-shoot-out-shock/#24070fe66fde

Spoiler. OLED came in third. Samsung ES9500 and Panny DX902 were first and second respectively.

Im not blaming you at all but that is just completely laughable

22 people taking part - how pathetic, there is nothing at all meaningful in such a small sample

snarloas1982 said:
I'll admit I'm a panny fanboi myself now. The 902 sits around 2k but the oled panny sits around 5k.i haven't seen it yet and I wouldnt pay that sort of money but I want to see it before I decide.

Only slight problem is that Panny are reported to not be making any more OLED 's for the time being, and the small amount currently available are actually ex-demo /display models

The 902's are comparable to the KS9000 from what I hear