Government to consider banning smoking in pub gardens etc..

SimonRigga said:
The issue is people are NOT considerate,

If a smoker is sitting on an outside table, and there are people around you eating, then is it not considerate to not smoke at that particular time? just wait until people have finished eating, or move away if you MUST smoke right at that moment..

I'm not having a go at smokers, it can be ANY inconsiderate action, like letting your kids scream blue murder.. or letting them play on their phones at full volume, in a public place around others.. it's called being considerate..

However until people are more considerate, then unfortunately you will get people that support all sorts of bans.. which personally I feel shouldn't be needed..

BTW the not considerate is not aimed at anyone here, i'm sure everyone here is very considerate.. (judging by the replies anyway!)
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Agree 100%. This is what we do prior to having a smoke in a restaurant; have a look around if anyone's eating, if they are either wait or we can always move further away/outside.


The hotel we are now in don't allow any smoking outside, unless you are by the entrance where the ashtrays are. Of course all the smokers are now outside entrances and people coming and going and inhaling the smoke and even throwing a few dirty looks...seems no-one is willing to compromise nowadays, which is what societies should do (if they want to last anyway). Just allocate the outside outdoor tables as smoking..
 
I was a pub regular back in 2007 and saw the effect the smoking ban had on pubs, though to be fair decline of working mans clubs, and local boozers was already underway. However the ban definitely had a big negative impact.

I'm not going to get into the moral and ethics of smoking/not smoking outside pubs - but this ban will be the final nail in a great British institution.
 
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SimonRigga said:
I never said anything about stopping.. as far as I can read my own post anyway..

I have no problem with smokers in gardens.. and if it bothers me then I can move no problem.. but if i've ordered food and it arrives.. then someone lights up near me.. I think it's a little inconsiderate.. it doesn't take much to have a look around and either not do it.. or even just ask if someone minds if they're eating..

Why are people so opposed to thinking of others.. or even asking others if they are in the vicinity.. the "why should I not do what I want brigade" I guess..

edit: apols if my post is not divisive enough so that people can stay enraged on either side of the argument..
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Consideration of others seems to be largely forgotten unfortunately, like people who decide to vape on the bus with whatever blubblegum flavoured jank they've decided to inhale and not giving a thought to the other people around them.
 
Don't get me started on vapes. I was at a gig at the Hydro the other week, seated tickets, and looking down at the standing folk I see about 20 people constantly puffing huge clouds all night. Do they not realise how stupid they look.
 
And in a U-turn that absolutely no one saw coming..

www.gbnews.com

Labour 'U-turns on pub garden smoking ban' as Starmer fears move would be death sentence for businesses

The Prime Minister had previously said that prohibiting smoking in outdoor areas will 'reduce the burden' on the NHS and taxpayers
www.gbnews.com www.gbnews.com

www.dailystar.co.uk

Ban on smoking in pub gardens set for U-turn as PM to back down over backlash

PM Sir Keir Starmer is set to drop a proposed ban on smoking in pub beer gardens after Downing Street was reportedly "spooked" by the backlash, according to reports
www.dailystar.co.uk www.dailystar.co.uk

www.express.co.uk

Keir Starmer forced into humiliating U-turn over hated smoking ban

Senior Downing Street figures, including the Prime Minister's chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, are believed to have been "spooked" by warnings of job losses and venue closures.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
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Who polices anything? Even shoplifting is a non-punishable offence these days you're lucky if you get to send in a crime report number. Politicians love to spew out laws that no-one is ever going to enforce it makes them look important to the electorate, or something
 
robfosters said:
Now confirmed. Sanity prevails
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Banning in schools and hospitals is daft. What are teachers who smoke going to do? What are nurses and doctors who smoke going to do? All this will do is create pockets of staff smoking in side roads near schools and hospitals - just as happens near hospitals which already ban smoking on their grounds. I presume they'll at least maintain the exemption for in-patients in mental institutes, but more broadly: how exactly do they plan on handling someone in a wheelchair who smokes?

Richie said:
no one... Its been banned in Scotland for a while and you regularly see patients in wheelchairs and on oxygen going out for a smoke right at the door!!
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The same happens at hospitals which already have a ban in the UK. You see people leaning against the big no-smoking signs having a fag.
 
Mr Jack said:
Banning in schools and hospitals is daft. What are teachers who smoke going to do? What are nurses and doctors who smoke going to do? All this will do is create pockets of staff smoking in side roads near schools and hospitals - just as happens near hospitals which already ban smoking on their grounds. I presume they'll at least maintain the exemption for in-patients in mental institutes, but more broadly: how exactly do they plan on handling someone in a wheelchair who smokes?



The same happens at hospitals which already have a ban in the UK. You see people leaning against the big no-smoking signs having a fag.
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What about people on palliative care too? Bit cruel to ban dying patients from one of their life’s remaining pleasures
 
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